I have KK UTG and raise 2X the BB. 3 callers.
Flop is 4-5-8, two hearts. I bet 4BB, flat called by one very good player who I have played against many times. Turn is 3 of clubs for two clubs and two hearts - I bet the same 4BB, again flat called. River is 5 of spades for a final board of 3-4-5-5-8, no flushes. I rule out straight, because this player would not call a PF raise with 2-6/6-7 and put him on a high heart draw (A-Q, A-K of hearts). I bet 8BB, am raised back 16BB (basically my whole stack). I think, think, think, and very simply cannot put him on anything other than a flush draw. This guy has the table image of always having it on the river, and I have caught him bluffing out a pot on a busted flush draw a few times. I decide I must have the best hand, and move in for the remaining 3 or 4BB I have in my stack.
I flip KK, he flips 88. Perfect trap or bad play on my part?
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01-24-2005 #1Fish
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I really just have no idea.
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01-24-2005 #2
Raise 3 or 4 x BB
Bet more on 4th.
I'm probly checking the river, what worse hand is calling? JJ-99 probably. I think most of the tiem though, when you're called for 8 bb your beat.“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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01-24-2005 #3Fish Food
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Seems like a pretty good trap. I think the only thing you may do differently next time is put him on something more than a draw. With your preflop raise and your 2 4xBB which don't seem to phase him (he looks pretty committed to his hand) I would put him on atleast 2 pair (with a set likely). I think it's pretty clear that he had you on a big pocket pair. Same thing happened to me the other night in a tourny with pocket AA against a set of 4's. But I didn't take that big a hit. I think everybody takes this hit from time to time.
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01-24-2005 #4
He flopped a set.
That is all."Last night I stayed up late playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died."
-Stephen Wright
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01-24-2005 #5PokerForums God
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Originally Posted by rhhsrounder
You let him in too cheaply though. Then you played it weakly and his move looked too much like a steal.
3-4x raise PF, then about 3/4 of a pot bet on the flop. But you aren't folding KK on the flop.
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01-24-2005 #6
you got screwed.... even betting more isnt gonna chase away the pocket pair... u got rivered
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01-25-2005 #7Fish
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There is absolutely no way I get him off this hand PF, he plays all pocket pairs 33 and up almost without question. Unless I had gone at least 6-10BB before the flop, he was going to see the 8 hit.
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01-25-2005 #8
If he's calling without proper pot odds, you're not making a mistake.
“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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01-25-2005 #10PokerForums God
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That is fine, you don't have to get him to fold, just make him pay to chase.
Originally Posted by rhhsrounder
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