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    Default I really just have no idea.

    I have KK UTG and raise 2X the BB. 3 callers.

    Flop is 4-5-8, two hearts. I bet 4BB, flat called by one very good player who I have played against many times. Turn is 3 of clubs for two clubs and two hearts - I bet the same 4BB, again flat called. River is 5 of spades for a final board of 3-4-5-5-8, no flushes. I rule out straight, because this player would not call a PF raise with 2-6/6-7 and put him on a high heart draw (A-Q, A-K of hearts). I bet 8BB, am raised back 16BB (basically my whole stack). I think, think, think, and very simply cannot put him on anything other than a flush draw. This guy has the table image of always having it on the river, and I have caught him bluffing out a pot on a busted flush draw a few times. I decide I must have the best hand, and move in for the remaining 3 or 4BB I have in my stack.

    I flip KK, he flips 88. Perfect trap or bad play on my part?

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    Raise 3 or 4 x BB

    Bet more on 4th.

    I'm probly checking the river, what worse hand is calling? JJ-99 probably. I think most of the tiem though, when you're called for 8 bb your beat.
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    Seems like a pretty good trap. I think the only thing you may do differently next time is put him on something more than a draw. With your preflop raise and your 2 4xBB which don't seem to phase him (he looks pretty committed to his hand) I would put him on atleast 2 pair (with a set likely). I think it's pretty clear that he had you on a big pocket pair. Same thing happened to me the other night in a tourny with pocket AA against a set of 4's. But I didn't take that big a hit. I think everybody takes this hit from time to time.

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    He flopped a set.

    That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhhsrounder
    I have KK UTG and raise 2X the BB. 3 callers.

    Flop is 4-5-8, two hearts. I bet 4BB, flat called by one very good player who I have played against many times. Turn is 3 of clubs for two clubs and two hearts - I bet the same 4BB, again flat called. River is 5 of spades for a final board of 3-4-5-5-8, no flushes. I rule out straight, because this player would not call a PF raise with 2-6/6-7 and put him on a high heart draw (A-Q, A-K of hearts). I bet 8BB, am raised back 16BB (basically my whole stack). I think, think, think, and very simply cannot put him on anything other than a flush draw. This guy has the table image of always having it on the river, and I have caught him bluffing out a pot on a busted flush draw a few times. I decide I must have the best hand, and move in for the remaining 3 or 4BB I have in my stack.

    I flip KK, he flips 88. Perfect trap or bad play on my part?

    You let him in too cheaply though. Then you played it weakly and his move looked too much like a steal.

    3-4x raise PF, then about 3/4 of a pot bet on the flop. But you aren't folding KK on the flop.

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    you got screwed.... even betting more isnt gonna chase away the pocket pair... u got rivered
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    There is absolutely no way I get him off this hand PF, he plays all pocket pairs 33 and up almost without question. Unless I had gone at least 6-10BB before the flop, he was going to see the 8 hit.

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    If he's calling without proper pot odds, you're not making a mistake.
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    Yea, he got trips off the flop, Iwoulda betprolly 4X BB, and raised another 4 X BB, then see what he does, mebbe a check raise. But you played the hand well, other than betting 8XBB.. IMHO>..
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    However the players there are tight and just the flops are hit or miss IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhhsrounder
    There is absolutely no way I get him off this hand PF, he plays all pocket pairs 33 and up almost without question. Unless I had gone at least 6-10BB before the flop, he was going to see the 8 hit.
    That is fine, you don't have to get him to fold, just make him pay to chase.

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