repsect early position raises

trippedupA-Town · #1 (**permalink**) 09-15-2006, 12:13 AM

recently ive been playing nl instead of my regular limit ring games. im starting off on lower limits considering im making such a huge transistion. not only have i realised playing nl rewards my more patient type of play, it has opened up alot of more technical plays i can use to take down pots. i love the check raise bluffs and semi bluffs. ive also found amongst dictating pot odds, that postition plays an even stronger roll in nl. i raise mid suited conectors in early position to snag down my blind pots. this helps when im playing tighter and i use up the clock. although its easier to go deep down on stacks i love the freedom nl offers skilled players. (tons more donks too) just wanted to know peoples opinion on respecting the EP raises, if they use that frequently in nl, and last....if neone knows any good nl ring game books out lolz. thanks

gder03 · #2 (**permalink**) 09-15-2006, 12:26 AM

yes you hsould respect raises
maybe HOH is good books even though its for tounry

SeanyBullets1 · #3 (**permalink**) 09-15-2006, 10:16 AM

NLT&P

KINGJACK · #4 (**permalink**) 09-15-2006, 10:49 AM

Of course you have to respect EP raises at least as much as you should do in limit.

However, even if Its not realy smart to call EP raises with hands like AT, AJ, KQ or even AQ, it can be really profitable to call them with mid suited connectors and low and mid PP.

Of course your implied odds must be really hight to make those play profitable, and you also have to know who you are up agaist. Most poeple cant fold a high PP or a AK if they hit even if the board is paired or a str8 or a flush is possible.

you have to take advantege of these poeple and use your position to make them pay when tou hit hard.

Same for poeple who will bet the flop hard even with a busted AK. Often with mid suited con. you will have a pair or a strong draw or both if they miss AK or AQ.

Of course you have to be very carefull and play them really good post flop, but those hands are my favorite to call EP raises. Of course AA and KK arent bad either

, but if we rule them out, mid PP and SC are the best IMO.

KJ

MTdemocrat · #5 (**permalink**) 09-15-2006, 02:30 PM

I quickly read the first post and noticed a few things that were said/asked.

The first comment I would make is to restrict your check/raise bluffs and other elaborate forms of bluffs. Winning at the micro level (and some would say) up to the medium level is about playing ABC straightforward poker. You really want to avoid getting fancy play syndrome, as it can be a major drain on your bankroll.

Aside from that you make some pretty astute observations for someone who has just started playing NL.

As for your question about EP raises. I would refer you to Harringtons Gap concept. It basically says that if their is a raise in EP, the close it is to UTG (the earliest opening pos. in the first round), the stronger your hand needs to be to call and ESPECIALLY raise.

As for books, I would reccomend both NL Hold Em Theory and Practice AND the Harrington on Hold Em books. I know that HoH is specfically written for tournaments, but most of it is directly applicable to cash games. The only section that really does not apply, comes later in volume two talking about M and Q.

As for NLHETP, it is the bare bones beginners book for No Limit. At first it seems daunting, but once you start to play most of it makes a ton of sense in game.

Finally, get Poker Tracker or Poker office, they are invaluable!

I THINK you also ask if people respect my EP raises. I get constant respect for my raises out of EP. I am tight as nun's cunt when I play EP. If I raise out of UTG or UTG + 1, the MININIUM I have is AA,KK,AKs (QQ,JJ,1010 if it is a loose passive game). Most times people will either fold or fold to a CB on the flop. This allows me however to throw in some sneaky plays (look at the hand analysis forum where I raised 99 in UTG and got paid off for it) that I run RARELY.

Straightforward and ABC is the way to go. Even Alex who probably is the biggest fount of knowledge/skill on ths board for the most part plays pretty ABC (until he drinks, then he loves to get tricky).

As for myself calling an EP raise. I tighten up pretty well. If the player has a good sized stack (I play NL10 at the moment) of more than 1/2 the buyin I play my mid and low PP and if I feel I can outplay the player, I will throw in some HIGH SC's (78s,89s,910s). Obviously you are playing high pocket pairs. The question comes w/ hands like 1010 and JJ. At my level I am rarely throwing them away, unless I have a pretty mean read on the player, I play these pretty similar to my low and mid pocket pairs. As for the rest of my hands, we are doing AK (suited and non) AQ (especially against a weak player I have seen raise w/ AK then lay it down when he misses the flop and does not CB). I am NOT playing two face cards suited or not.

Really tight? You bet.

trippedupA-Town · #6 (**permalink**) 09-15-2006, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTdemocrat

I quickly read the first post and noticed a few things that were said/asked.

The first comment I would make is to restrict your check/raise bluffs and other elaborate forms of bluffs. Winning at the micro level (and some would say) up to the medium level is about playing ABC straightforward poker. You really want to avoid getting fancy play syndrome, as it can be a major drain on your bankroll.

Aside from that you make some pretty astute observations for someone who has just started playing NL.

As for your question about EP raises. I would refer you to Harringtons Gap concept. It basically says that if their is a raise in EP, the close it is to UTG (the earliest opening pos. in the first round), the stronger your hand needs to be to call and ESPECIALLY raise.

As for books, I would reccomend both NL Hold Em Theory and Practice AND the Harrington on Hold Em books. I know that HoH is specfically written for tournaments, but most of it is directly applicable to cash games. The only section that really does not apply, comes later in volume two talking about M and Q.

As for NLHETP, it is the bare bones beginners book for No Limit. At first it seems daunting, but once you start to play most of it makes a ton of sense in game.

Finally, get Poker Tracker or Poker office, they are invaluable!

I THINK you also ask if people respect my EP raises. I get constant respect for my raises out of EP. I am tight as nun's cunt when I play EP. If I raise out of UTG or UTG + 1, the MININIUM I have is AA,KK,AKs (QQ,JJ,1010 if it is a loose passive game). Most times people will either fold or fold to a CB on the flop. This allows me however to throw in some sneaky plays (look at the hand analysis forum where I raised 99 in UTG and got paid off for it) that I run RARELY.

Straightforward and ABC is the way to go. Even Alex who probably is the biggest fount of knowledge/skill on ths board for the most part plays pretty ABC (until he drinks, then he loves to get tricky).

As for myself calling an EP raise. I tighten up pretty well. If the player has a good sized stack (I play NL10 at the moment) of more than 1/2 the buyin I play my mid and low PP and if I feel I can outplay the player, I will throw in some HIGH SC's (78s,89s,910s). Obviously you are playing high pocket pairs. The question comes w/ hands like 1010 and JJ. At my level I am rarely throwing them away, unless I have a pretty mean read on the player, I play these pretty similar to my low and mid pocket pairs. As for the rest of my hands, we are doing AK (suited and non) AQ (especially against a weak player I have seen raise w/ AK then lay it down when he misses the flop and does not CB). I am NOT playing two face cards suited or not.

Really tight? You bet.

theory and practice is by sklansky right? btw thanks for the info

MTdemocrat · #7 (**permalink**) 09-16-2006, 12:49 AM

yes by Sklansky and Miller.

Information is why we all come here. I am merely passing on what was passed to me.

the alex · #8 (**permalink**) 09-16-2006, 02:31 AM

Gap Concept= Sklansky

I believe he first introduced it in TPFAP. That's where Turbo SnG's came from.

trippedupA-Town · #9 (**permalink**) 09-16-2006, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the alex

Gap Concept= Sklansky

I believe he first introduced it in TPFAP. That's where Turbo SnG's came from.

whats tpfap?

MTdemocrat · #10 (**permalink**) 09-16-2006, 10:44 PM

tpfap= tournament poker for advanced players.

Your right alex, I just looked in HoH.

Is TPFAP any good? worth buying?