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Old 09-09-2006, 03:43 PM
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Default Heads-Up Play in Turbos

So, I'm learning turbos lately and I'm getting the hang of it. I'm good at HU SnG's because I'm a small-baller, but I'm really getting my ass handed to me when we get HU in these turbos.
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Old 09-10-2006, 04:20 PM
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BUMP!

I suck at this shit.
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Old 09-11-2006, 12:30 AM
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Expect a lot of variance in those heads up encounters! It's usually just all in preflop when you reach HU in a turbo and you can't really outplay your opponent heads up when you have 6 bb's each. Just get it all in with what's probably the best hand and hope for the best.

The biggest advantage you can get is obviously to reach the heads up as chip leader.
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Old 09-11-2006, 03:04 AM
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Expect a lot of variance in those heads up encounters! It's usually just all in preflop when you reach HU in a turbo and you can't really outplay your opponent heads up when you have 6 bb's each. Just get it all in with what's probably the best hand and hope for the best.

The biggest advantage you can get is obviously to reach the heads up as chip leader.
In other words, gay.

Yeah. These dipshits who wanna play limit with 5bbs in their stack. As donk as they are, I have little-no fold equity on these same idiots when I re-raise because they don't understand the difference between raising your whole stack and calling your whole stack. It just forces more gambles and overall retardation. I hate these things. They're fun untilt he heads-up part. They should payout slimmer between 1st and 2nd, IMO.
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A few quick thoughts. I've had decent success HU in p-stars turbos (note: I play $3 turbos).

If stacks are relatively even, I try to small-ball it a little bit. PF I raise from the button 75% of the time. I'll just limp occasionally (and usually on the first hand) to let the other guy know its OK for him to do the same. That can buy me free flops from the BB. If he raises a lot from button pf I will fold about 1/4 the time and call with a wide range of cards. The folds again, are to show him its OK for him to fold pf. But I call enough to show that pf raises aren't going to scare me. A lot of times they will fall into the pattern of only raising solid hands pf. I want them to adopt this predictable play.
HU with these low Ms, I usually min bet. Its usually enough to make the other guy consider folding. If hes calling more than I like, I'll bump up my standard bet. But I try to stay consistent in my amounts. Alway either call, fold or bet x amount.
Post flop. I'll stab at anything, but usually only make one bluff per hand - sometimesw flop, sometimes turn, occasionally river. Chips change hands so fast HU, its not worth firing an extra bullet.

If stacks are 2.5:1 or greater, then its usually fold/push any two cards until its over or stacks are closer in value.

Its all about momentum HU. If I'm on a rush, I'll bet everything and keep the pressure on. If I lose a few in a row, I end the momentum by just pushing.

By keeping early HU pots small, you can generally get a few critical reads. Does he raise any hand or just good starting hands? Does he check or bluff missed flops? Basically, I want to know if the guy is passive and only going for made hands or is he aggressive and trying to buy pots. I'll push around the first guy and play cautious once he puts chips in. The second guy I'll try to trap. I don't mind trading pots back and forth until I get a hand to trap with.
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Thanks, ypsie.

I was drunk and pissed off when I typed that reply. I'd just lost 3 of the last 4 HU macthes with people CALLING 6bb all ins on 3:2 shots to make me the short stack and... gg.

That really helps a lot. I just started learning these and I know they're only profitable in large quantities, so with my schedule about to drastically change in a few months, I want to master these. I've been watching the videos on cardrunners.com (If you don't subscribe, you are loosing money, BTW.) and ActionJeff made a great video on turbo strategy that's had me cashing in the micros and lo's ($3-$15) at a good rate over that 20-25.

I still have major leaks and the HU play with bad players is the biggest leak right now. My only real HU experience is for cash which I play a couple of times a week on Prima, but it's deeper stacked, reload at any time, and these are HU players that I'm playing and I think I was trying to apply too much of that. Then, after watching ActionJeff's video, I started pushing my 3:2 a bit too much HU expecting my opponent to not gamble a good stack.

When you have your opponent 2:1- lets's say you have 9,500 and your opponent has 4,000 and blinds are at the 400/800 level, how are you approaching different players that you've classified? This is where things usually go sour when they do.
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