I really need some tips I guess...

I started to play 25$ PLO on Party for entrtainment and I lost 2 full buy ins in like one hour 3 tabling. (very small sample I know)

I play a really tight game.

I pot AAxx KKxx (maybe a bit LA) AKQJ AKQT AQJTds

I call raises or reraise with all of this depending of the size of the raise and who is doing it.

I limp AsK88+ 7788+ AQxxds+ 789T+
I call raises with all of this depending of the size of the raise and who is doing it.

On the flop I will pot sets, Str8s, Flushes, and every 12+ outters

I never slow played a made hand, and almost every time I got the nut, I managed to have some callers, and even sometime put one of them all in, but I really lost more than 50% of them.

I may have made a loosy call once when I floped the nut Str8 + open ender SF draw, I repoted it after a potter and a caller, they both called and then I called a pot bet after the turn paired the board. I lost 19$ on that hand. he had top and bottom pair on the flop...

An other one... Floped Mid set... poted flop and turn... ... checked the river when an A hit making a str8 possible with KT + a higher set, he then pot it and I called... lost another 15$ pot on that one.

Is there something in what I say here that mkaes you say... ''oh dam!!! It's obvious why this fish is loosing $$$!!!!''


KJ

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Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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I would throw 3 to a wrap with a suited Ace in Group 3 i.e. down to A567. Be careful with potting PF in passive games with those Broadway hands. You're gonna flop 2 pair and lose to straights, flushes, and sets a lot. Being double suited or single to the Ace with 2 limpers is fine. In these passive family pot games, take a flop and play for straight/flush and full house value. These are great hands to cooler people when you hit big, so you want people in the pot and it'll build itself on the flop when you hit big with these cards.

You cannot be a payoff wizard in this game. It will break you very fast. Hold 'em is a game where you can be dealt a hand that you know will win the pot or make a hand on the flop that will do so. Omaha and Stud and more street-by-street games where winners in this day and age thrive on Hold 'em players that think they're value calling when they're donking off.

One thing to think when a draw hits and the caller becomes the aggressor is "How does he know that I wasn't on that draw?" In these games, it's usually because he was on that draw and is hoping for you to be his bitch. Not being a payoff wizard will make good players pussyfoot around you avoiding big pots without big hands/draws, and maybe even give you free cards when you have bottom 2 and an open-ender to their top two.

Bad players also think that everyone's as unlucky as them, so they make it obvious when they hit thinking that no one will drop a set like it's Hold 'em. These same players can't drop a set to obvious straights and full houses.

Flushed boards are more difficult to get paid off, so when i hit on the turn, I like to half-pot on the last 2 streets. The board can't pair and you'll still have people coming over the top of you for the pot with their sets. Only way to get more for your flushes, but again you can't be a payoff wizard to paired boards and bear in mind that a lot of these players are scared of not getting called with full houses and nut flushes. You can use that to your advantage, too.

I need to start logging a ton of Omaha observations on pot control and maximizing +EV with those observations. I have a ton of shit in my head from hundreds of thousands of hands I've played and watched and I could only imagine if typed these things out or put them on paper. It'd do me a lot of good.

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i play 6max 25$ and get my ass kicked. im very weak tight. ill open raise maybe 2 hands pf;

9TJQ
TJQK

double suited.

rest I limp/call. maybe open raise AAKQ double suited or something of that nature.

by ass kicked I mean im prolly runnig @ about 1bb/100. I play a game that depends on hitting draw or flop, or having somoene donk their chips to me.

not sure why i wrote this as it dosnt help w/ your strategy. ppl are much better @ nlhe than PLO imo.

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There are 2 ways to play low limit PLO profitably. Semi-loose/passive pre-flop, tight/aggressive post-flop. Or, Semi-tight/aggressive pre-flop, tight/semi-aggressive post-flop.

You either need to raise a lot pre-flop to punish the people trying to see cheap flops with 4489, A335, TT56 type hands and hope they hit a piece of the flop. Or, see cheap flops and lay in the weeds with a lot of hands that can make the nuts but aren't overly strong heads up: like AsKT6. With the latter strategy you are punishing pay off wizards who call with any flush or bitch end straights.

KKxx - meh. 50% of the time I limp, 50% of the time I fold it. It's tough to hit a set, tougher to get it to hold up, and even tougher to get paid off when you're way ahead. The only hand that will pay you off is a smaller set, and we know how rare set over set is.

You seem to overvalue certain hands and undervalue others. AK88 is crap, AQxxds is also crap. If you only raise broadway hands you'll be dead in the water, mix in raises with small wraps like 5678 (especially ds) and As678 hands so you can't be moved off every ragged flop.

When tight players raise you want to be calling with hands like 89TJ especially if they have trouble folding hands post flop.

Against looser raisers I will call with pretty much any hand I would play normally.

Pot control is huge in this game. and like Alex said, too complicated to discuss without forming your thoughts beforehand, we definetly need a thread on this

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I find your response in this thread shallow, and pedantic...

If I hear you, not only being tight pre-flop in PLO is not an option, but my preflop hand evaluation is dam wrong!!!

I take note of this...

TY guys!

KJ

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Originally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

You could also take note to stop thinking too hard about preflop. The flop makes and breaks your hand. You just wanna see flops with hands that have the max. potential to hit flops hard. The turn tells exactly where your opponent is and you can better discount outs before deciding to see the river and such. Hold 'em puts a lot of weight on 2 cards because the premium hands are hands that can miss the whole board completely and win a vast majority of pots. That's why I hate Hold 'em and I say that there's more luck in Hold 'em than any other poker game, but that's where the donkeys are, so I play it.

With AAxx and KKxx, you just want to go heads up and see a flop where you can take it down. If you can't get heads-up with teh KKxx because of your table, limp with 2 connectors to the King or double suited and fold the rest because you have trash. Yeah, you're playing for set value, but there is no set value because the only times you'll flop a set of Kings and get action is a donk over playing AAxx, but most of the time, you'll be a coinflip with your set in a family pot.

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