I have no idea why I suck at this game. Well, I don't really suck but, I'm definetly weaker in Stud than any other form of poker.

2 questions

1) when do you dump a 3 flush or 3 straight when you brick on 4th? I tend to take one off unless someone pairs their doorcard or the action gets hot and heavy, is this a mistake?

1a) Do you play hands like (J3)9 suited???? assuming only 1 maybe 2 of your flush cards are dead

2) hands like (88)Q, (9K)9, (66)5 with 2 suited cards. What the hell do you do when it's only the bring in to call with a couple limpers already in the pot? Assuming your pair cards are live and no more than 1 of your kickers is dead, or a couple of your backdoor flush/straight cards are dead.

Originally Posted by Steve-O

I have no idea why I suck at this game. Well, I don't really suck but, I'm definetly weaker in Stud than any other form of poker.

2 questions

1) when do you dump a 3 flush or 3 straight when you brick on 4th? I tend to take one off unless someone pairs their doorcard or the action gets hot and heavy, is this a mistake?

1a) Do you play hands like (J3)9 suited???? assuming only 1 maybe 2 of your flush cards are dead

2) hands like (88)Q, (9K)9, (66)5 with 2 suited cards. What the hell do you do when it's only the bring in to call with a couple limpers already in the pot? Assuming your pair cards are live and no more than 1 of your kickers is dead, or a couple of your backdoor flush/straight cards are dead.

I've bricked in straight Stud for over a year and decided to really tighten up, so to answer question #1, I'll only play 3 suited cards to 1 gap at most or 3 to Broadway.

Q #2 was one I thought I could answer, but it's more advanced as I played more. (88)Q, I'll raise a couple of limpers with doors lower than the Q to see where I'm at (see if we're getting slowplayed) for oppurtunity to steal when you only get 1 or 2 to see 4th and they brick. Otherwise, you're playing this for set and 2 pair value. As a lower door to a limper, I'll dump it. I've been caught with the lower 2 pair a lot in these cases and this is gonna be a big pot because your door has no "scare value."

The (9K)9 is very tricky and with no Ace showing, I'll raise with all of my cards live and a dead 9 but live Kings unless 2 or 3 behind me have paint showing. In that case, I'll fold because again there's no "scare value."

(66)5 is a dumper. You have no scare value, so the pot's getting big and you need to get lucky with a full house with so many people because there will be a lot of times when you catch a miracle straight and be staring at a flush or bigger straight.

The scare value is dependent of the doors and the table soooo much. Passive tables, the 3 to the flush/straight raise in value a ton like passive Omaha games from my observation and the mid pairs with big kickers raise in value in tighter games- even aggressive games because you'll get the late action that you want when you hit big because the pot will be so big at that point and you'll be up against less opponents.

Stud takes a while for me to really feel out a table. Everyone's different and I can fuck up a Hi/Lo game right after I sit, but understanding the table atmosphere and players take a while for me. That's why I hate it online. People don't sit long enough for me to feel this out in straight Stud.

To questions 1 and 1A

1. if i brick on 4th, depends on what everyone else is doing. 1x bet maybe call depending on stack size. try and see one more on the cheap and decide from there.

1a. how much are you willing to gamble when someone comes out after the pot? i'm usually a tight player in 7stud so i'm not looking unless the bettor is a known bully/bluffer. if the bet gets higher than 2x i'm out.

2. you always call, and sometimes raise depending on whats on board and where you are at in position to the bring in. a starting pair isn't nuts or even close to it. but its a good starting hand with 4 cards to come, espcially if you're suited. the 66 5 is a nice hand to bring in with (its even scary when someone who plays tight raises with a 5 showing especially if someone completes with their show ace).

i find that playing loose early in the tournys and tightening up as you get deeper get tighter. be aggressive.

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He's talking about a cash game. (66)5 is trash. People around you are gonna take more cards than in a tourney because they're no "you're broke, you're done" fear. Yeah, people are mostly playing their own cards which are gonna be higher than yours, making them favorites in most hands, but raising with a 5 door and 6's in the hole, you're not sneaking up on anybody.

you are right. my bad i was talking tourny. thats 90% of my game so i don't think cash right away.

In a tournament, people won't want to trap themselves, so I see where that can be a "scare door" for your opponents. "What the hell is so good about that 5?" Then an Ace, King, or connector falls and when you're lucky, they'll hit the road.

I don't play Stud tournies at all, so I really couldn't criticize that approach in that context.