Hey

Ok im still reading bits of antonio esfandiari's book and he playes VERY tight out of position not even raising with QQ......He also says you should play even tighter when online as its one of the few advantages you get (or something to that affect)

So im just woundering if i should really really tighten up out of position and loosen up in position lots to maximise the positional advantage.

Maybe some of you guys already do this?

Obviousally i pay attention to position but im just thinking about pushing this advantage
Thanks

It has its advantages and disadvantages as does every strategy. If you play tight then over the long run you will win money since the best cards are +EV.

Say you get JJ or QQ in the Blinds, I would most likely limp here (In Limit, sometimes NL - if there are already say 4/5 limpers in the pot) since if a J/Q flops Im going to get paid off quite well, then again you could always raise and the flop comes with 2 overcards - great position to be in (NOT!!) and even if they dont I could flop a barrage of undercards - as long as no one has flopped 2 pair im looking good, although set value is very important when playing these hands. If you think of playing 22-QQ for set value this is advocating to be very tight but youll trap people with AK so often when the flop comes QAx. The value of deception is the best thing from the blinds. I would say that playing tight out of position will only aid your game.

Say you get dealt KK,AK,AA in EP in the blinds and limp in. The flop comes AK6 of somesort - since you limped without raising youll get a lot of Ax's betting into you, a lot of Kings and hopefully no one thats flopped a set if youve got AK.

I would definately tighten up a lot out of position, try limping with a few strong hands and then reraising people - I find that if you can limp with AK in EP, someone is MORE LIKELY to raise with a weaker hand from LP (If the pot has not yet been raised) you can usually isolate them with a reraise and force them to put more money into the pot. Plus you go into the hand being the aggressor, always a must in NL.

Limping with AK is just inviting the Ax to hit 2pair on you. Can you fold AK to a big bet when an ace hits the board?

Against better players, maybe, but you don't need to be too deceptive with these guys. You can type, "I have Queens" in the chat box, raise to 4bbs and have a guy with JJ and another with A9 call you down to the river with no improvement.

Originally Posted by tightagressive

im 99% sure he means not even RE raising with QQ.

which is usually a pretty good idea against a solid tag player. just smooth call and play the flop.

i rarely re raise with JJ unless the pf raiser is a big fuckin donk who will call with anything.

and this is NL

Do you mean say you raise he re-raises (you have QQ) and here you wouldn't re-raise

OR

He raises and you would just call with QQ as i thought at this point it would be important to find out if he has a hand that dominates you by re-raising as calling your gonna have to pay alot again on the flop to find out...

Originally Posted by Dizzy_Fuzz

It has its advantages and disadvantages as does every strategy. If you play tight then over the long run you will win money since the best cards are +EV.

Say you get JJ or QQ in the Blinds, I would most likely limp here (In Limit, sometimes NL - if there are already say 4/5 limpers in the pot) since if a J/Q flops Im going to get paid off quite well, then again you could always raise and the flop comes with 2 overcards - great position to be in (NOT!!) and even if they dont I could flop a barrage of undercards - as long as no one has flopped 2 pair im looking good, although set value is very important when playing these hands. If you think of playing 22-QQ for set value this is advocating to be very tight but youll trap people with AK so often when the flop comes QAx. The value of deception is the best thing from the blinds. I would say that playing tight out of position will only aid your game.

Say you get dealt KK,AK,AA in EP in the blinds and limp in. The flop comes AK6 of somesort - since you limped without raising youll get a lot of Ax's betting into you, a lot of Kings and hopefully no one thats flopped a set if youve got AK.

I would definately tighten up a lot out of position, try limping with a few strong hands and then reraising people - I find that if you can limp with AK in EP, someone is MORE LIKELY to raise with a weaker hand from LP (If the pot has not yet been raised) you can usually isolate them with a reraise and force them to put more money into the pot. Plus you go into the hand being the aggressor, always a must in NL.

Hey

Thanks, so you would giveup the high card value of your queens or jacks
by not raising to get enough people out to allow that value to pull through the majority of the time, for the 1-7.5 chance you will hit a set and get paid off handsomly especially with the deception value of playing out of the blinds......

Would it not have a larger expectation with a hand lke QQ JJ to raise and play for high card value as any crappy pair has set value, i think with QQ JJ if you let too many people in arn't you turning your hand into 2-2 (well, nearly) as often you will now loose to an overcard hitting and your set draw is the only real thing you havegoing for you?

Thanks