Next week, I have the chance to play in a live tournament. There will be 200 players and $1,000 in starting chips. First prize will be $10,000. Needless to say, I'm a little excited, but also unsure about what kinds of strategy adjustments to make.
First, I have never played in a tournament with more than 30 entrants. Second, I have never played in a tournament with rebuys and add-ons for the first hour only.
I was wondering if anyone has any pointers about how the size of the field and the rebuy/add-on structure should affect strategy.
I know that you should take advantage of the rebuy if you should happen to bust out, and my guess is that you should opt for the add-on regardless of how well you do in the first hour.
However, given the rebuy/add-on structure, should you play more loosely than you normally would in that first hour? Would it be better to play tightly, but bet even more aggressively than you might otherwise when you get into a hand since you have a safety net with the rebuy? Should you not make any adjustment at all and just play your normal game during the rebuy period and see what happens?
Finally, most of my "tournament" experience comes from SNGs. Can I apply the style of play that I've learned there to this setting (conservative/tight/selectively aggressive/patiently waiting for hands), or will that style of play just lead to stack-size problems that will inhibit my ability to get deep into the tournament? In other words, with such a large field, do you have to take more risks in your play to have the means to survive?
I know these are general questions, but any general insights from those who play these games more often than I do would be appreciated.
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01-13-2005 #1River Rat
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01-13-2005 #2PokerForums God
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Ok, I can answer a little bit.
On difference between MTTs and SnGs, is that you will be playing at a full or nearly full table for much longer. If you play a typical SnG strategy, you don't play many hands until the table is short handed, then start playing aggressively.
You won't be able to do that in an MTT. You will have to play a more even game and play position and blind steal.
Marm can probably answer the re-buy specific questions, and hopefully KidRed will have some good insights.
Re-buys can be pretty crazy, with people raising all-in with 56s pre-flop and crap. Also, the blinds structure will affect your play. If the blinds go up quickly, you will need to play much faster to avoid getting blinded out.
All my expirience is from on-line tourneys though.
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01-13-2005 #3
Assume, for the time being, that the add-on is simply part of your entry fee. There was an article on Pokerpages a few months back that concluded that if you manage to build your chips up to 7-8x your starting stack before the rebuy, then the added expenditure of buying the add-on mathematically outweighs the benefit you get from taking it (assuming the add-on = the starting amount of chips). Personally, I've never cared for the author of that article and its rare you emerge from the first hour with fortune smiling upon you that favorably, so I'd just stick to the plan that you'll take the add-on no matter what.
Rebuys are a bit more dicey. Because they're offered, play will be looser. People will be willing to chase more. Take some extra cash for rebuys, but don't loosen your starting requirements too much. Instead, push harder when you have a quality hand and try to capitalize on other people taking greater chances. Remember, the re-buys are your security blanket for that first hour...if someone's willing to pay to chase a flush when the pot odds aren't there, great. If they miss, you get their chips. If they catch thin, then you can rebuy and get back in the game and they're still there with chips willing to chase. Just don't put yourself in a position where you've re-bought so much that even reaching the final table won't ensure you break even. One of my first MTT tournaments I made the final table...the guy who took fourth walked out money down.
A few quirks to watch for in this sort of set up. The very LAST hand before the rebuy period ends will be insane. I've never understood why, but people go nuts taking this last stab at winning chips with the safety of the rebuy. I wouldn't play here unless I had a very high hand or got mugged incredibly hard by the flop, because people just won't lay down here. Also, you will need to re-evaluate the playing style of everyone at your table after the rebuy period ends. Not everybody's playing style will change, but its a good assumption that AT LEAST 1-2 people at the table will alter their style now that the rebuys are done.
General MTT strategies...I like to envision the tournament in 3 stages, each defined by the number of people left (although the relation of blinds-to-stacks also plays a role). The first stage is survival -- your goal is just that, survive. If you sense that playing further in a hand might put you in a dicey situation, then lay it down and fight another day. The whole goal here is to let the action players who have no patience gut each other and get what chips you can when you're able. The "survival" stage lasts until 1/3 to 1/2 of the tournament field has departed or until you find yourself getting in a short stack situation. Stage 2 is selectively attacking...think Pac Man and pressure the smaller stacks. Be wary of anyone that can put you out, but bully the small stacks and exert pressure. Obviously if you've got a strong hand, you'll take on a bigger stack as well, but the goal here is to attack the people who can't do serious damage to your tournament survival. Depending on how fast people are dropping vs. the blinds and antes raising, stage 2 could last until the money line or you might have to transition when 1/3 of the field is left. It really depends on your comfort zone and the specific tournament situation. Stage 3 is the push to the finish -- here's where you're going to take a few more risks for the sake of positioning yourself for a run at the big cash. Ideally, you won't make this jump until you've reached the pay line and have your buyin money re-secured. Realisitcally though, you might have to make the move sooner.
Hope this helps. Best of luck and skill -- go win it!:cool:
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01-13-2005 #4River Rat
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Thanks guys. Those are helpful tips. I just got an e-mail from the tournament host. Here's how he described the rules:
"The blind structure is similar to a casino tournament, starting at 25/25 then 25/50, etc, and designed for the tournament to end in 5 hours of play.
The payout structure is also similar to a casino, and depending on the amount of entries, a least the final table, and in all probablitily the final two tables will cash. Strarting with a top prize of approx 36%, the 18% etc.
Rebuys are allowed anytime you have 1000 or less in chips during the first hour- $50 for 1000 in chips. When the rebuy period ends, you may add on regasrdless of the amount of chips, but only at that time. There will be a break. Then there will be no more rebuys or add-ons."
First, it sounds like the blinds are going to increase pretty rapidly. They would have to if they want to finish a 200 person tournament in about 5 hours.
Second, I was surprised that you can rebuy chips "anytime you have 1000 or less in chips." I always thought that "rebuys" were reserved for players who busted out, not for someone who is simply short-stacked according to some yardstick.
With these rules, it sounds like someone could buy themselves almost 3x their starting stack for only twice the initial buyin. Unless I'm mistaken, it would go something like this: you buyin for $100 and get $1000 in chips. You pay a few blinds, and let's say you're down to about $900 in chips just before the first hour ends. Then you "rebuy" another $1000 chips for an additional $50, and when the first hour is over, you exercise you're right to "add-on" by buying another $1000 chips for another $50. Thus, it sounds like you can enter the freeze-out part of the tournament with around 2900 chips for $200.
It doesn't sound fair, but if that's the way the rules work, should I plan on doing this?
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01-13-2005 #5
As I undertand it, when you rebuy you're buying yourself BACK to 1000 chips, regardless of what you have. If you get down to 900 chips and rebuy, you'd effectively be paying the $50 for the 100 chips that gets you BACK TO the original 1,000 chips. Otherwise, I thik it would be smart to limp in the first hand, fold, and then buy another 1,000 chips for $50.
Then again, I've never played in a rebuy tournament of any kind, so I could be TOTALY wrong.
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01-13-2005 #6PokerForums God
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Girevik, you don't understand.
When you rebuy you get a fixed amount of chips regardless of your stack.
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01-13-2005 #7
mxp -- yes, you understand correct. In fact, I've had people at my table who had to post the blind on the first hand rebuy before they even received cards.
When the break hits, do what you need to in order to have the most chips you can in front of you. If that means a rebuy AND the add-on, do it. The goal is to be in the best position you can after that freeze-out break one hour in.:cool:
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01-13-2005 #8
Um, as long as you have no more chips than you started with, you can rebuy, so assuming you post a blind, you can rebuy right away in most cases.
So Girevik, you're right as far as the rebuy is concerned-btw this is just to confirm what is written ^ up there...
Other than that, have a great game, and good luck!
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01-13-2005 #9
I say consider the add-on+one rebuy in your entry fee. Make a rebuy when you hit the table. If you have to throw a few chips in on the first hand and fold to get below the max. stack to rebuy, do it. There are two generic ways to play a rebuy during the rebuy phase:
1.) Play super-aggressive with a lot of small bets keeping pot small and building your stack. Playing the flop, turn, and river like a ring game playing odds and draws aggressively while people are tight. Unlike a freezeout, when you're broke in this phase, you're not done. People will begin to play sherriff and you can back off a bit. As people are playing sherriff as you have fired up the table, they are losing chips and re-buying, putting a TON of chips on your table. This is good.
2.) Play tight as the beginning of any MTT. Overbet the pot with your large hands if your table is very loose-aggressive and the pots are big. When you win a pot, you'll increase your stack by at least 75% when you hit. When you get outdrawn, you can re-buy, but you're depending on the deck to give you the starting hand and to not screw you in the asson the board as people are playing very unpredictable hands.
Re-buy tournaments are my favorite tournaments at casinos because the rebuys and add-ons are usually cheap which is good for me because I tend to play similar to my first example and everyone else is willing to rebuy and add chips at my table. It's usually a curse to get lucky early in a freezeout and have a huge stack because your stack relative to the rest are so small that even as you steal, the pots are small and when people have hand, they make it very expensive or dance around with no in-between.
In rebuy tournaments, your stack can grow or fall really fast, if you're aggressive and you can re-buy and add on at the break if you're broke or are close to broke. If you're playing tight, just like ring, you just need one big pot to give you power after that first hour.
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01-13-2005 #10PokerForums God
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There are too schools of thought on what Alex says about rebuying immediately.
One is do it, and if you double up off of someone that also add-on you can have a huge stack.
The other is, save the buy-in so you don't risk loosing it all-in one hand.
My feeling is that the crazier the game is, the less value there is in adding on right away.
Most internet sites (if not all) allow rebuys as soon as you drop below your starting stack.
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