OK, not sure about this.


Hand #3883110-2361 at El Cajon ($.50/$1 Hold'em)
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Started at 11/Jan/05 21:25:26

mulligan0728 is at seat 1 with $10.
torquematic is at seat 2 with $46.50.
stelmobarry is at seat 3 with $41.10.
breeze1 is at seat 4 with $73.55.
paul love is at seat 5 with $19.
OneBigHand is at seat 6 with $71.80.
oregonplayer is at seat 7 with $24.10.
beavis68 is at seat 8 with $10.75.
Bills8u is at seat 9 with $27.
The button is at seat 1.

torquematic posts the small blind of $.25.
stelmobarry posts the big blind of $.50.

mulligan0728: -- --
torquematic: -- --
stelmobarry: -- --
breeze1: -- --
paul love: -- --
OneBigHand: -- --
oregonplayer: -- --
beavis68:
Bills8u: -- --

Pre-flop:

breeze1 folds. paul love raises to $1. OneBigHand
folds. oregonplayer folds. beavis68 re-raises to
$1.50. Bills8u folds. mulligan0728 folds.
torquematic folds. stelmobarry calls. paul love
calls.

There was too much raising at this table, felt like I had an edge.

Flop (board: ):

stelmobarry checks. paul love checks. beavis68 bets
$.50. stelmobarry folds. paul love calls.

Turn (board: ):

paul love checks. beavis68 bets $1. paul love
raises to $2. beavis68 calls.

Pocket fives? A2 doesnt seem right, KQd or Axd turn bluff? Does anyone actually fold to those?

River (board: ):

paul love checks. beavis68 checks

Can't decide if a bet is +EV or not. I don't like the turn raise, that is a flag for at least two pair on UB.

Seeing as I was in seat 5 about 30 minutes or so before this hand took place, and I recognize most of the players...

If he was playing A4, he would have bet the river, otherwise he would have risked losing a bet.

I think he's got Queens. Hes a HPFAP reader, not SSH yet, otherwise he would have bet the flop. HPFAP calls to check raise on the turn, not the flop. But there was flush draw, but I seem to miss them enough....

I think I remember him trying something similar with me with an underpair. So I'd bet it.

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wow, good line on him, he had TT, I figure he would have bet with QQ.

Do you think he would have called with TT?

Do you like the 3-bet with AJs? Seems like I overplayed it to me.

Were we at the table at the same timne?? Shows how observant I am, especially if I was in seat 5 at the same time he was .

I have found, in my experience, that you need to 3 bet pre-flop with the wekaer strong hands to see how much these guys really like their hands. Alot of players will open-raise with 55 on up, A7s is a very possible raising hand because its a sooted ace. You're three bet is like asking them what the really got. If they cap, well your AJs or JJ or whatever is SOL, and you need to proceed with caution on the flop. If they call, then you are most likely ahead and can play your good flops pretty hard.

Yes, I think he would have quite possible called with TT, since he called down against your flop bet, and then tried to steal it on the turn. Personally I think I would have capped it on the turn, mainly for info, expensive though, because there is now real way that 5 helped him, aside from A4s, and hes not raising that PF, probably. This will let me know what he really thinks of his hand again. This reraising does get expensive, but I have found it does increase my chances of winnign the hand enough to make it profitable.

TT was my second choice, but I have found if I err on the side of caution, I do better. In hindisight of my inital idea, I'd put him on TT rather than Queens, Queens would most likely have been capped preflop. So with that revision, I figure I'm still ahead here, and bet accordingly for value. If I'm wroing and get raised, then I still call, since folding is a error that may cost me a pot, but calling or raising only cots me a bet or 2. If i have him on Queens pretty solid though, Checking behind may have the most +EV. But I think betting/call or checking both have +EV here against this player.

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you noticed all that but you didn't notice I was at the table? funny.

I had thought that 55 was a likely holding. The play at the .5/1.00 seems a lot different than the play at the .25/.5 tables. Much looser and more aggressive.

I would have had a good session but I got caught trying to limp with some weaker hands than I should have and wasted a few bets.

I generally fold AJs to an early position open raise.

You could do a Pokerstove sim against a tight raiser and against a loose raiser. Against a loose raiser I'd expect AJs to be worth reraising.