This is applicable to NL cash games around the $200 mark. And i think maybe my biggest leak.

I think I quite often set myself to get to a showdown as cheaply as possible, rather than deciding I am willing to invest $x more in this pot so I will bet it on turn making draws pay, and possibly getting lsightly better or identical hands to fold in the process.

Such as in following situation:

I raise to $12 (4bb) PF with AQ and get 2 calls:

Flop:



I bet out $30 into $40ish pot and get a call.

Turn:



I now think well maybe the guy has a 5, maybe he called with AK (I know this player may have called with AK on flop putting me on a bluff). Therefore I decide to check turn. He checks behind.

I now will call a bet he makes on river of say $50 incase he is bluffing.

Would I be better of betting this money out on turn:
Firstly to make draws pay
Secondly if he also has AQ he will likely fold

However if I get raised I must fold accepting I'm beat.

Therefore I am investing the same amount in the hand either way, but 2nd way I have larger fold equity and remove free draws.

Great Post Jason. Thanks.

Indeed, I had to close my mouth manually after reading it.

Jason, you aren't by any means Harrington hiding under a different name?

u are using pot control here very well in this hand.

i like a check behind here, this is no leak.

if you bet TPTK on every steet 100% of the time, THAT is a leak.

Originally Posted by tightagressive

u are using pot control here very well in this hand.

i like a check behind here, this is no leak.

if you bet TPTK on every steet 100% of the time, THAT is a leak.

i agree..
this is a situation where you need to check the turn due to pot control.

if u decide to lead out again on turn and opponent flat calls, you now have to check river.. and when u check river ur opponent can easily use position to take it away from you on the river - plus u wont be able to call river cuz ur turn bet made the pot huge.

i would have checked turn, and if he checks it down too.. then i lead out on river with a blocking/value bet on river for about 1/3-1/4 ps and fold it to a raise.

Originally Posted by Eclipse86

i agree..
this is a situation where you need to check the turn due to pot control.

if u decide to lead out again on turn and opponent flat calls, you now have to check river.. and when u check river ur opponent can easily use position to take it away from you on the river - plus u wont be able to call river cuz ur turn bet made the pot huge.

i would have checked turn, and if he checks it down too.. then i lead out on river with a blocking/value bet on river for about 1/3-1/4 ps and fold it to a raise.

right. checking the turn in spots like this also can set up very good value bets on the river. if you are raised, you are beat.

How much do you guys actually bet on TPTK when you don't have to price out any straight or flush draws?

In the micros, this hand would be easy to play, since you get attacked with suited cards 99% of the time.

But how much do you bet against a 'normal' opponent and why?