A few scenarios where I am up in the air on the correct play. I'd like to hear some different schools of thought on these hands and what you would do and why
.50/1 Blinds, most pots are raised onced or not at all with 3-5 people seeing the flop.
1) 3 limpers, nothing noteworthy known about them. You have KK84ds on the button, what do you do?
2) a min raise by a player and 1 call you have AAT6 in the cutoff, what do you do?
3) Same scenario as 2 only you are in the blind?
4) 5 limpers you have AA56 in the SB, what do you do?
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Thread: PLO pre-flop
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07-24-2006 #1
PLO pre-flop
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07-24-2006 #2
In cases 1 and 2, you're play for full house value in a loose game.
1.) You don't have any 3 cards working together. You just have 3 couplets and your nut potential is only evident when you hit with 1 (KK for a boat or hi set on a harmless board). You can hit the hi set and still have to play conservatively because the texture of a lot of flops in a family pot are gonna get ugly. Without the Ace hi flush draw, I'm very conservative in family pots.
2.) Worse than case number #1, because of the min. raise, this depends on the middle man. I'll pot it if the middle man is a tighter player or if the initial raiser is aggressive because the only reason to pot this is to isolate, but you're still depending on aggression or a hi set to win the pot. You're not looking to see a turn card, basically.
Most of the time, I'm limping here to lure in the blinds. But like scenario #1, you have a trouble hand and I know a lot more people that are folding both of these in lo action games like these than taking the gamble on getting an ugly flop to steal.
Hi action games, you want big pairs prefereably ds or ss'd with a conector. Lo action, you want 4 card wraps. 3 card wraps ss'd with an Ace, and big pairs with 2 connectors
3.) You have better steal chances on flops in this scenario and I'm definitely potting it here, knowing the button and SB are out for sure.
4.) This is a hand that I love a lot when at least ss'd. I'm ASSuming we're rbw'd, though and that's a "Ugh!" but I'm still getting aggressive with the oppurtunity to take flops.
All in all, I wouldn't be averse to folding all of these because none of these are hands that stand up on full boards most of the time in family pots- even with only 2 opponents in our SB hands, but the steal potential is much greater there.
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07-24-2006 #3
Seeing as I have only played PLO once (few times?), this will allow you guys to dissect a bad player's ideas.
1) I limp behind. While I think Kings have some power, and the DS will add to that, I don't think we will be thinning the field enough to take it down on the flop with a C-bet.
2) My overagressiveness may show here, but I pot it. I try to drive out at least one of those guys. A raise then a pot will probably scare the blinds off, so I'm goign for HU. The problem is I don't play post flop well enough to know what to do from there.
3) Limp, we're OOP now, and we can't power them off with a C-bet like I think I'd try in #2. Hope for a set and squash em.
4) I limp, theres no way we are taking this pot or getting it HU, so Limping and looking for a great flop. I think this should really be a fit or fold scenario on the flop.Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
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07-24-2006 #4
Alex kind of hit it, these aren't good multi-way hands. They don't improve often enough and with all these players you have no bluff potential at all
furthermore you will have a hard time getting poeple out of the pot, you can only bet the pot and it's low right now.
These hands are really difficult to play and I usually min raise sometimes call depending on the situation. i like to sweeten the pot but not get overly committed to it with these hands.Read my musings on poker and life at Online Poker Examiner, Poker Examiner, PokerNewsBoy.com, and My Poker Blog
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07-24-2006 #5
Anyone just starting PLO in a micro or lo-stakes game, I'd recommend folding all 4. In the case with the 2 people in the pot, I'll be selectively aggressive depending on who's behind me. The hands in the SB are no-brainer aggression spots for me, personally. But I won't deny the danger involved and experience is the only way to understand the textures of so many different flops with different amounts of opponents.
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07-24-2006 #6
now i am an expert PLO tourney player but not so much experienced with cash games... if this was a tournament (i know it isnt) i would be willing just to take a flop off and see what happens, giving me the oppertunity to build up a pot when i hit and cheaply get away from the hand should i miss... since in a cash game you have the option to add more chips... i dont see why you couldnt or wouldnt employ the same strategy.
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