People who have read SSH, what about this one? Two overs that were probably good and backdoor nut flush draw.

Hand #3882648-3441 at Hypoluxo ($.25/$.50 Hold'em Kill)
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Started at 09/Jan/05 20:55:10

breeze1 is at seat 0 with $37.25.
sissy123 is at seat 1 with $8.30 (sitting out).
Eklypz is at seat 2 with $4.55.
poppie1955_2 is at seat 3 with $.90.
jojo9006 is at seat 4 with $30.30.
Marm is at seat 5 with $15.55.
betterbet21 is at seat 6 with $4.80.
hinda is at seat 7 with $16.40.
loboDog is at seat 8 with $20.65.
meaculpa is at seat 9 with $3.65.
The button is at seat 5.
The partial kill button is at seat 8.

betterbet21 posts the small blind of $.10.
hinda posts the big blind of $.25.

breeze1: -- --
Eklypz: -- --
poppie1955_2: -- --
jojo9006: -- --
Marm: Ah Kh
betterbet21: -- --
hinda: -- --
loboDog: -- --
meaculpa: -- --

Pre-flop:

loboDog folds. meaculpa folds. breeze1 raises to
$.50. Eklypz calls. poppie1955_2 calls. jojo9006
calls. Marm re-raises to $.75. betterbet21 folds.
hinda calls. breeze1 calls. Eklypz calls.
poppie1955_2 goes all-in for $.90. jojo9006 calls.
Marm calls. hinda calls. breeze1 calls. Eklypz
calls.

Flop (board: 5h 6d 3d):

hinda checks. breeze1 bets $.25. Eklypz calls.
jojo9006 calls. Marm calls. hinda calls.

Turn (board: 5h 6d 3d 8h):

hinda checks. breeze1 bets $.50. Eklypz calls.
jojo9006 calls. Marm calls. hinda calls.

River (board: 5h 6d 3d 8h 9h):

hinda checks. breeze1 checks. Eklypz checks.
jojo9006 bets $.50. Marm raises to $1. hinda folds.
breeze1 folds. Eklypz folds. jojo9006 re-raises
to $1.50. Marm re-raises to $2. jojo9006 calls.



Showdown:

Marm shows Ah Kh.
Marm has Ah Kh 5h 8h 9h: flush, ace high.
poppie1955_2 shows Ad Ts.
poppie1955_2 has Ad Ts 6d 8h 9h: ace high.
jojo9006 mucks cards.
(jojo9006 has Jh 7h.)


Hand #3882648-3441 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a total pot of $13.25.
$.25 is raked from the main pot of $5.50.
$.25 is raked from side pot #1 of $7.75.
Marm wins the main pot $5.25 with flush, ace high.
Marm wins the side pot $7.50 with flush, ace high.

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I'm probly raising the turn, so I can show it down for the same 2 bets or gain an extra one if I hit.

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I would have raised the flop, probably gets you a free card and with your preflop action they will put you on 2 overs, most likely AK, if you only call. It also might eliminate the 2 players in between you and the initial bettor, with an A3 or A5 type hand or even 88 if you suspect the bettor is on a draw.

I agree, raise the flop, you can gain outs too.

flushes make most on the river... raises early might have scared them off...If one of the other guys had Kx hearts you'd have wiped him out....

LOOK AT THE F**** rake!

Bob

Signed up member of anti-rake campaign...

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I have to disagree with the "masses" here. I didn't read SSH, but I think you played it fine. The pot's too big to fold and you can't be "the pussy" at the lo-limit table at the same time. The only reason to raise the flop would be to give yourself a chance at the pot on the next street and more times than not, someone will catch a pair. More times than not, someone with the flush with trap you.

What are you looking for with a raise?

What if that Ace does hit the turn? The A6, A5 and A3 have you right where they want you.

Establishing power at a low-blind NL table is one thing. Establishing that aggressive power at a low-limit table is another and more times than not you're not so much gonna get your hand caught in the cookie jar as much as you'll just look like the jackass and continue to be the sucker at the table raising a family pot on the flop with Ace high.

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The reason to raise is so A5 A3 or K5 K3 may fold. Whether or not you raise, if those hands are in the pot they have you where they want you if an A or a K hit the turn.

you also get to see the river card for free if a heart falls,

have greatly disguised your hand,

and will gain a good deal of information on your opponents hands by their future action (if they reraise you can fold right there instead of sticking around, if they just call you can put them on a moderate hand or a draw, etc.)

Use position to your advantage here, with top 2 overs and backdoor flush draw, this is a perfect situation for a free card and to eliminate weak hands that are duplicating your outs.

If your willing to call the flop bet then you feel your overs are good, why pay 1sb for 6 outs when you could pay 2sb for 6 outs on the turn and 6-15 outs on the river?

And they don't if you simply call? Like I said the only reason to call is if you think your overs are good, if you think someone has a pair with an Ace kicker why would you call ANY bet with 3 outs.

I would think that they're calling regardless, so you're the sucker for betting with the bad hand.

Your positional argument was the first thing that popped in my head when I read the initial post, but looking at the quality of player[s] at this table and the amount of people in the hand, I don't see a free river card coming to you. In a low-limit family pot, this is a case where your late position hurts your chances at stealing.

The attempt at a free river card is almost always a gamble and one that I like to take, especially in big bet games, so I can't reallly thwart that argument. There are a ton of draws that lured people into seeing the turn in the first place and folding equity on the river (if it's free and you're checked to) is not too shabby, not to mention hitting one of your 4, maybe 2 (someone holding A5, A6, or A3). A black King is your only sure shot.

These maybes are reasons to fold, but the pot size will get callers on your card hitting, so I like Marm's check/call. The raise on the river and the opponents hand was a tad lucky, you gotta admit. I hope you took a note on jojo, Marm.

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