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    Chaser Jen-Jen The Enjen's Avatar
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    Default Aggression and Suited Connectors in 6max.

    So, I've been playing $25 NL games now, but I was curious about 6max., so I played it on Party for $25 last night and tonight. It was good, but everytimes I'd check my balance and thought I was up $10, I was down $10 and vice versa. I've read up here with what people have said and I have a couple more questions.

    What I noticed was that I get paid off, I get paid big- really BIG. But, I've had problems finding common ground between isolating and getting no action at all.

    So Question #1- Normally, in full games, I raise BB(4+limpers) i.e. 2 limpers, I raise 6 blinds. But less people limp in 6max., so I get too much action in early position and none of the action I want in late position and in the blinds. How should I adjust my normal raises?

    Question #2- How should I adjust my raises against bad players and good players left in the hand?

    Question #3- I win a lot of big pots with suited connectors in full games or lose small ones, but in 6max., how should I be playing these because people are so, so much more aggressive on the flop that my implied odds get thrown off?

    Question #4- AJ and KJ= hate 'em. Should I kinda' like them now? How much? And what table stats am I looking for with these hands?

    Question #5- I see people going all in on low Aces. Should I be more aggressive with AK and AQ (i.e. re-raising, opening early, and such)?

    Note: I am using PokerTracker while I play.

    It's been a bit up and down and while I like playing $25 full games, I think I'm going to go down to the $10 games for 6max. until I get the hang of it, if that helps.

    One more question, so Question #6.- I get a lot of flops where I'm a coin flip. Should I be aggressive early with 2 or 3 people behind me? Usually, I'm not and I let people bet for me, but I was reading about blocking bets and they seem to work more for me in these games. Is this a little too over the edge? It's disguising my hand really well, I think. Or would they pay me anyway?

    I promise this is the last question. Qestion #7- What am I supposed to do with this dummy who raises $1.50 every hand? I decided to make it $4 with Queens and he pushed me all in for a total of $12 and some change. He'd gone all in with any Ace and any pair to other people, so I called and he had 55. I won. What am doing with Jacks and tens and such with this guy?
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    I started 6 max a couple on months ago after years of FR. My 2 pence (English money)

    I tend to raise more on position. I'm not fond of drawing cards early. I'd rather do 5bb with 87s late than even play AK utg on a loose table. Actually I'd rather do 87s early than AK.....

    The thing is that any raise preflop is usually equated to AK (4bb=AK in most ppls minds). This is why AA with 4bb gets cracked by two pair. If you hit the flop then you dry up. If you miss you have CB decisions to make.

    With AK- if you have a couple of "ace happys" try getting them in preflop and just hold your nerve.

    The question I usually ask when I'm in late is "why arent I raising these cards" - I should be. I know who's in - If they've limped I should get them to put down on a weak flop and any heavy raise gives me the blinds. Multiple limpers preflop are just a likely to fold back to you on 6bb because of the "unknown foes" i. he limped in early -three other limpers - you 7bb - utg thinks "eek - 7bb AND other limpers left to play " - so folds. Each guy does this untill the last guy who then puts down 97 os "because he had odds to call"


    AJ-KJ- .. If I think I can take the blinds I will push hard so again its position and rep.. on loose tables earlyAJ + KJ have a bit too much work to do..

    The only two hands that have instrinsic value preflop are AA and KK. As far as stats are concerned you should look at groups of hands you play the same way. i.e don't look at 78s alone - look at 78s 67s,98s,T9s. With a small database you get more information this way.

    If you find a tight table put a yellow "sticket" over your cards on the screen - play the ppl and position...


    This has been fragmented.. but.. dummy raises $1.5 preflop. Personally I like 8-Q ( eg J9, 8T) connectors against these guys. They rely on massive overcard betting on broadways, they are true fish. If they hit on the turn /river they drop thier bets other wise they try to buy sooo.... I call and wait for a weak flop with top pair/mid ... Don't call them with AK,AQ - they often have an A and you dont have enough outs/strength to work with. Even if they do have AA - if you hit the pair you usually have enough outs to CALL down. You want them to think they can buy you- look fragile - they'll pay off.
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    dipping your feet in actual poker; nl 6 max. awsome.
    1. I think if ppl have limped, you should continue makeing standard BB+x raises; however, you are not a bot. simply b/c 3 ppl limped dosnt mean you Have to raise a certain amount. Often times when a lot of ppl have limped, they are holding bad cards and figure "wel this is gunna be a family pot, may as well limp". So unfortunately they will lay their hands to your raise.

    Hands where you re-raise the initial raiser are the ones where you have implied % that he/she will call (thus you will get action).

    So I say dont get cute with your big hands. B/c this is 6 handed not 10, the yare being dealt worse hands. just wait for the right time. I konw it sucks. I get AA-QQ and its always folded to me.

    Im just warming up.

    2. Agaisnt bad passive players I will raise a little more. against bad agressive players (maniacs who are destined to bluff away stack) i will deff play cautiosly pf agaisnt (knowing that they will prolly bluff me out on fop). Its a good idea to cbet any HU flop where they check it to you (and you took control pf)

    3. I think these hands lose a ton of value in 6 max when playing them for drawing value*. Therfore you should be playing them for pair value instead of monster value. Pair value means isolation. Isolation means raise PF. This becomes dangerous if you are;
    • playing out of position
    • have a low connector


    There are situations when you play for flush/strait value; your on button everyone limps to you etc...

    If im comfortable @ table, I will go as far as raising 8Ts UTG.
    Usually, im 90% utg raiseing QJ+ (unless table is very passive, or very agressive)

    *often times in full games ppl will check/call when drawing. For 6max: Imo if you are HU or 3way and drawing on the flop, you should bluff and bet pot. you have lots of outs, so geting called isnt the end of the world.

    4. These are fairly decent in late position. if your UTG+1 or CO in an unraised pot, you should raise them 90% of the time (AJ prolly 95%). Ax will call sooo many times from SB,SB its not funny.

    I will usually chek these hands in blinds. deff folding KJ to any raise from blinds. I will call raises w/ AJ from blinds.

    5. Im pretty sure going all in with AK preflop is +EV. maybe even AQ. You really should play w/o fear from any position when holding these two hands imo. The key is; if your not gunna get your money into pot when you miss the flop, keep the preflop pot low. (i see ppl call 8bb pf and then dump the hand on flop to a 4bb bet)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jen-Jen The Enjen
    I get a lot of flops where I'm a coin flip.
    Im not sure what a coin flip flop is. Only one I know of is 2live over cards + flush draw vs. someones pair. (and thats HU, your talking about 3way)

    ingeneral any blocking bet is good. infact ppl who min bet, take a lot of flops down. Id recomend betting more to block, but IMO at the lowest levels min is acceptable.

    7. 6bb raiseer is easy to beat @ a full 6 max table. Your range for re raising him should be; JJ-AA. AQ-AK.

    Ppl would argue something like 77+ but i disagree. I think you should call his raise with 77-JJ, ANY TWO CARDS. yeah ppl say tighten up, but I dissagree. He wil likely Cbet the flop, so all it takes for you is to pair up.

    If hes in CO and im in BB I might call him (if he has 100+ bb) with 96s.

    If the flop comes 9xx im golden and will chek raise his flop cbet. If flop comes K92 Im prolly ahead and will bet pot.

    Imo you should be able to take 200bb swings like you would take a 50bb swing in full ring (to play properly). I play fairly safe, but thats just my habit. Dont be scared of making plays that seem weerd.
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    Thanks for everything so far. Very helpful.

    But gder, this guy was raising to $1.50 on the $10 table, so it was 15 blinds.
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    one last point..

    remember that no two cards (aside from AA/KK) are worth more than the blinds. Although action is fun.. I'll take a blind steal everytime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jen-Jen The Enjen
    Thanks for everything so far. Very helpful.

    But gder, this guy was raising to $1.50 on the $10 table, so it was 15 blinds.

    If he makes a stream of cb's then you recover this if you hit the pair..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jen-Jen The Enjen
    Thanks for everything so far. Very helpful.

    But gder, this guy was raising to $1.50 on the $10 table, so it was 15 blinds.
    I would probably ditch the call w/ any cards theory then. I guess one way of looking @ it (if you really wanna challenge him) is pretend you both have only 10bb. Like a HU situation in an SNG.

    I personally would reraise all in with AK-AQ, QQ-TT agaisnt him. I would raise to 4$ with AA-KK vs him.

    Raising 22-99 is prolly + EV against him. but the +EV is caluclated over millions of hands, thus the bankroll might not take too kindly to it due to the short term fluctuations.
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