Blinds 1K/2K, ante 50. You have 7500 chips. Player directly on your right has the same. You are in the button. It gets folded around, player on your right pushes all in.

Your holding:

Call?

I think so, simply because you are so short, and you probably aren't that big a dog to whatever the other guy is pushing with, and could well be a favorite.

Definite call.

He's open-pushing with any 2 anyway.

A suited T8 is a coinflip to K-crap, A-crap . . . . etc. . . . .

Against a totally random hand, you've got to be a favorite, so I'd call.

Really you guys are calling this?

Pokerstove puts us at a 52/47 favorite against a completely random hand. Against an Ac 2s it's 52/47 against. Kc Ts (just threw 2 broadway cards in) we're a 68/31 dog. If he has one 1 diamond in his hand higher than ours (which is why I was using the club spade thing) were a slight dog also (52/47 deal)

So basically we're a favorite to a completely random hand but wouldn't we at least figure it to at least 1 (Ax, Kx) if not 2 high cards?

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

Really you guys are calling this?

Pokerstove puts us at a 52/47 favorite against a completely random hand. Against an Ac 2s it's 52/47 against. Kc Ts (just threw 2 broadway cards in) we're a 68/31 dog. If he has one 1 diamond in his hand higher than ours (which is why I was using the club spade thing) were a slight dog also (52/47 deal)

So basically we're a favorite to a completely random hand but wouldn't we at least figure it to at least 1 (Ax, Kx) if not 2 high cards?

Dude, we have an M of 3.5 . . . . exactly what are we waiting for . . . Ax, Kx?? The guy pushed from the CO with a short stack like us. What if we pick up A2 in EP??? Do we really think pushing a weak A in an earlier position is better than calling the CO allin with T8s?

Besides, there's 10500 in the pot and it's 7500 to call . . . that's 1.4:1. So unless we're up against A9/K9 or better, we're getting our odds to call.

And sometimes, you just have to get lucky in order to stay in the game . . .

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

Really you guys are calling this?

Kc Ts (just threw 2 broadway cards in) we're a 68/31 dog.

Note that this hand you "just threw in" dominates us . . . . Run this against a hand like QJ/KJ/AJ and you'll find we're better than 3:2 . . .

Concur its an insta call.

Originally Posted by Jason75

Note that this hand you "just threw in" dominates us . . . . Run this against a hand like QJ/KJ/AJ and you'll find we're better than 3:2 . . .

I just did the numbers are still 68/31 again that's without one of his hole cards suits matching ours. I can agree we need to get lucky and maybe I'm wrong, I just didn't think this was an insta call situation.

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

So basically we're a favorite to a completely random hand but wouldn't we at least figure it to at least 1 (Ax, Kx) if not 2 high cards?

1.) Your opponent has 3.5bbs so the guy's open-pushing with any 2. That would mean that you're up against a completely random hand.

Originally Posted by Pok 7's

just did the numbers are still 68/31 again that's without one of his hole cards suits matching ours. I can agree we need to get lucky and maybe I'm wrong, I just didn't think this was an insta call situation.

2.) Because we're up against a random hand, you're throwing out some big if's here. But even with 2 live cards, we're only 3:2 dogs against 2 overs.

3.) Whether it's T8 v. KT or KQ v. AK, we're always 3.3:1 or 3:1 dogs in these dominated circumstances and when you have a ten, your opponent is less likely to have a ten the same as if you have a King. The cards aren't conscious of how they're ranked.