Playing a made flush

**abmyers** · 07-10-2006

I've got some questions about how to correctly play a flopped flush, to prevent being beat by a higher flush.

Here is a typical situation I am referring to, and I seem to consistently play these wrong, giving opponents decent odds to call.

Situation: .5/1 NL cash game.

abmyers ($160)
Player1($85)

abmyers - JD,QD
Player1 - AD, 9S

Player1 raises to $3. all players fold, I call from SB.

Flop 7D, 8D, 3D.

I have made my flush, and figure it to be the best hand, but am aware he could be holding a higher D. I don't want him to fold a pair, set or 2 pair (don't really see a set, since he has been about average in agressiveness) so I make a little larger than pot size bet of $8. That bet also says I have a hand and am afraid of the flush. Needless to say, with 2 overs and the nut draw, he raises to $24. With the made hand I push, for $160.

The player, with a perceived 17 outs in his eyes probably (Diamond, nine or ace), calls. Of course he turns a diamond.

How am I misplaying this hand?

**the alex** · 07-10-2006

I think you played it fine. That's what I do. People can't laydown flush draws when there's a flush on the board and with 3 suited cards, they can't lay down sets or 2 pair either many times. You'll get paid off on these many more times than not. I've lost too much money slowplaying as has a lot of other people. Your hand was very strong, probably the best, but still vulnerable. Looks good to me.

**abmyers** · 07-10-2006

It just seems to me that the EV of all-ining the flush has been grossly negative for me. This type of hand haunts me.

**the alex** · 07-10-2006

Originally Posted by abmyers

It just seems to me that the EV of all-ining the flush has been grossly negative for me. This type of hand haunts me.

If you had top 2 with 2 diamonds on the board and put your opponent on a flush draw, you wouldn't think twice about your decision at 2:1.

Here you're about 5:2. Not a bad spot to have all your money in the middle. You could call and pump $40 on the turn to no diamond, but he isn't folding. So, you either fold to river diamond or get nothing when no diamond hits the river?

You got the max. value here. Calling the flop and pushing the turn raises the chances of him folding and you leave money on the table. When you catch a fish, you don't throw him back. You eat him up.

**abmyers** · 07-10-2006

Next question:

If both of us see the turn, and the turn is another Diamond, and he goes all in, in what situations should I fold? How big of a bet relative to pot etc?

**Yvraine** · 07-10-2006

Originally Posted by abmyers

It just seems to me that the EV of all-ining the flush has been grossly negative for me. This type of hand haunts me.

Quick question: do you have actual stats on the +/-EV of this play, or is this just what you remember?

In other words, do you have Poker Tracker or some other statistical analysis for this play?

Human perception is usually quite skewed. Cold hard numbers are what you really want here.

**abmyers** · 07-10-2006

Youre probably right. I just hate this hand.

**abmyers** · 07-10-2006

Since this is a slighly different question I will just make a new thread.

I'll just tweak a real hand to illustrate a hypothetical.

Situation: .5/1 NL cash game.

abmyers ($160)
Player1($85)

abmyers - JD,QD
Player1 - AD, 9S

Player1 raises to $3. all players fold, I call from SB.

Flop 7D, 8D, 3D.

I have made my flush, and figure it to be the best hand, but am aware he could be holding a higher D. I don't want him to fold a pair, set or 2 pair (don't really see a set, since he has been about average in agressiveness) so I make a little larger than pot size bet of $8. That bet also says I have a hand and am afraid of the flush. Player1 calls the $8 dollar bet here.

The turn comes out with another diamond. Do you bet? And how much, and how much of a reraise do you fold to?

**the alex** · 07-10-2006

I just merged the two. If someone calls the $8, I'll check/call. With the Ace, an opponent's gonna keep it cheap enough worth calling when he has a set or top 2. The person who usually makes a large turn bet here has the worst hand. This pot isn't getting big enough to force you out. This is player dependent. I'll call small to most people, but I will back off and I'm willing to give it up. Your hand isn't QdJd, it's Qd now.

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