First hand at this table for me.....Does anyone think that this was a good fold?
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UTG+1 (t1735)
MP1 (t1435)
MP2 (t2900)
MP3 (t1825)
CO (t3720)
Barbourman (t4315)
SB (t3200)
BB (t1850)
UTG (t2060)
Preflop: Barbourman is Button with A:d:, J:h:.
5 folds, CO raises to t150, Barbourman calls t150, 2 folds.
Flop: (t375) J:s:, K:d:, 3:c: (2 players)
CO checks, Barbourman bets t350, CO calls t350.
Turn: (t1075) 2:d: (2 players)
CO checks, Barbourman bets t400, CO calls t400.
River: (t1875) 4:d: (2 players)
CO bets t2820 (All-In), Barbourman folds.
Final Pot: t4695
Results in white below:
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: CO wins t4695.
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Thread: What did he have??????
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July 4th, 2006 #1
What did he have??????
Chuck Norris put the "laughter" in manslaughter..
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July 4th, 2006 #2
You had mid-pair. Yes it was a good fold. You're still alive!
BOSS
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July 4th, 2006 #3
check the turn.
good fold.
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July 5th, 2006 #4
PF: First off, reraise PF. He's in the CO and could be raising with a lot of hands you beat right now or are at least a coinflip against (A2-AT, K8-KQ, QT+, JT+, 22-TT). Also, he's got the initiative and you want to take it from him and get him to define his hand further.
Flop: On the flop, there's no reason to bet more than 1/2 the pot without a plausible straight or flush draw on the board (QT is the only draw on the board) . . . a bigger bet says I have a weak hand, please go away . . . .
Turn: Ask yourself why you're betting the turn. . . .
The 2d changes nothing, it's basically a continuation of the flop betting, so his call said "I at least have middle pair, maybe QT for the straight draw and I'm sticking around". With middle pair ourselves, I'm not so interested in pricing out draws as I am keeping the pot smaller (since we just called PF) and winning this at a showdown.
But you're pumping up the pot way too much with middle pair, when his call could represent TPmid-weak kicker and you're beat. I hate putting in money when I think I'm beat . . .
You also enable him to go all in on the river when the scare card hits (3rd diamond), because the pot is now big enough to justify it.
River as played is an easy fold. . . .Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
Beavis68: You play poker.
Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.
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July 5th, 2006 #5
Very intuitive post Jason. Thanks.
Chuck Norris put the "laughter" in manslaughter..
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July 5th, 2006 #6
Well...
I think we are kicking QT's ass right now... but we cant call! We still have enough chips to play poker, and after all we are working with a marginal holding.
He probably use this diamond to take the pot from you. Phantom draw...
That is the only hand that fit entirely the action IMO. (for a donkey player) QdJd and TdJd also fits, but most of the time poeple will tend to make a lure bet on he river with that holding... even try a check-raise...
Just a feeling, but I really think that if you check the turn, we win a show down here... The turn bet makes the pot to so interesting for a donkey that he simply cant resist to try the big steal.
all in all, good fold, but you could definately have played the hand better. We put too much $$$ at rist for that kind of hand...
KJOriginally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!
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July 6th, 2006 #7
Actually, there are a lot of hands that could fit villian here . . . . .
QT, KT, K9, K8, QJ (particularly QJd), 88-TT (some folks just can't get away from pocket pairs this early).
There are several reasons to reraise PF:
1) PF, AJ is a very strong hand compared to the possible holdings of a CO raiser (who could even be raising with junk to steal).
2) A reraise gives us the chance to win the hand now
3) If villian calls, we get the initiative and can further narrow his range. If villian reraises, it's likely we're up against a hand we're beat with, so we can fold.
4) We have position on the raiser, and would like to get more money into the pot when we have position.
Of course, reraising PF is the riskier play, and I would call probably 25-50% of the time here (reraise when the cards are the same color, call if they're different colors).Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
Beavis68: You play poker.
Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.
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