This is my first notable hand from my session saturday night after I played a NL tournament...
Most of the players at the table were early bust-outs from the tourney, I finished in 6th, 1 out of the money when I had AA in the BB, UTG pushed with 55, we both flopped trips, and he rivered a fucking 5 for quads over A's full of 5's... He was CL, I was 2nd and he had me covered by a single 100 chip, but that's a whole other story...
I was sitting in seat 10, my favorite and I bought in for $400..
Seat one I busted out of the tourney, a semi-fishy, half-ok player, seat 2 was a total donk, 3 was a pretty solid player, 4 was a good solid player I have played alot with, no info on 5 or 6, 7 was a REALLY LAA maniac, no info on 8 or 9...
I hadn't played a hand yet, just watching the table getting reads and observing the first half hour.. 7 was AI 4 or 5 times and was swinging up and down like mad, nobody else was doing anything out of the ordinary other than making loose calls and folding to bets, raising with garbage etc...
I was in the BB with , 2 limpers and 7 raises to $20 which was his standard every other hand raise, I called, one of the limpers calls and we're off to the flop... Flop comes giving me an OESD + a strong FD so I lead out for $10, the limper folds and 7 instantly bumps to $60....
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Thread: $2/$5 NL live cash hand #1
July 4th, 2006 #1
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$2/$5 NL live cash hand #1
July 5th, 2006 #2
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July 5th, 2006 #3
Originally Posted by Just_dude
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Thats why I called.... He was raising everything just for the sake of raising.... In otherwords, I was defending my blind because I was sick of his shit!
Last edited by Just_dude; July 5th, 2006 at 01:18 PM.
July 5th, 2006 #4
since you made a donk bet on the flop...probably push.
July 6th, 2006 #5
I dont like the call PF and neither bet on the flop... 1/6 dosent really build the pot, it wont chase poeple out, and it looks suspicious... poeple will tend to not pay you if you hit the bullseye on later streets. Bet bigger (1/2 ro 3/4), or check...
But if you do it, it must be cause you know chances are very good you'll get raised by a weaker hand, and then you have to fire back with a very big reraise... you are favorite agaist anything rigth now but a set and a bigger FD wich, however, are both possible holdings... Thats why I prefer to make a standard bet making a raise behind us much more valuable information wise. (you can also use this pobe bet to set up further semi bluff on the flop if you think your opponent are wise enough to catch the play, but the way you dicribed the table, I guess its pointless)
as for the PF call flop. The raiser must be a freakin dumb player to jusify that play. I would prefer to call with 67s-89s or 22-66... You will bust the raiser more often and get beuted less often with those hands VS QT wich can be a very tricky hand to work with agaist a PF raise.
Thats my humble opinion, but I may underestimate the level of ''donkisness'' of your oponent.
KJOriginally Posted by Girevik
Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!
July 6th, 2006 #6
calling someones raise out of position is not called defending.I get more ass than a toilet seat. All shapes/colors/sizes.
July 6th, 2006 #7Originally Posted by gder03
if u want to teach this guy a lesson for raising every hand pf and stealing ur blinds.. then RR him PF.. otherwise fold and wait for a better hand.
anyways, since u called pf.. push that flop.
if ur flat calling raises with QTs, then u should be playing those hands like its 57s, 67s, 78s etc..
in otherwords, u want to play those hands for the flushes and straights and maybe for the 2pair, or trips with the T, etc.
so basically, u want to play this like a "implied odds hand". The reason why its bad to call pf raises with these hands tho, is that people tend to misplay them when they flop TP. Anyways, these are the type of flops that u want to get when u play QTs. So push that flop. Even if he has a set here ur still 40% to win, if u get all ur money in on the flop.
Last edited by Eclipse86; July 6th, 2006 at 03:10 AM.
July 6th, 2006 #8
I'd like to see a check raise all in on this flop. As played, push your monster!
July 6th, 2006 #9
how can you defend chips that are not yours when they are already in the pot
July 6th, 2006 #10
Originally Posted by Eclipse86
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E86 hit it on the button what I was thinking during this hand, it was a good implied odds type of hand and I was playing it solely looking to hit the flop hard or release it, plain and simple.. This hand was more about playing the man than the cards.. I knew he didn't flop a set by his betting action, he was trying to take the pot right there and I knew he didn't want any calls and I was 90% sure that if I came over the top he would fold. So if I push there's $110 +/- in the pot and I win that, if I smooth call there's $170 in the pot and I make a move on the turn. I sat for about a minute thinking what he was thinking, he was probably thinking maybe I had an overpair, an underpair or a big A and if the turn didn't look like it helped me, he would probably push.
So, I finally decide to smooth call thinking I still had all the diamonds, 4 8's and 4 K's as outs and if I missed, I would put the pressure on him and push because I honestly thought he had shit!
So, off to the turn...
Beautiful, the best card I could have hoped for... Hit both the draws, it wasn't a possible scarecard to him and I saw a half smile on his face before I even looked at the board. I put on a kind of act and sat back and thought for a second..... I say "Check" in a kind of dissapointed soft voice... He sits there for a second.... "I'm all in" and he pushes his 2 1/2 stacks and a $100 in the middle... I sat there for a second and call....
He flips over stands up and says you got me? I flip over my cards and he just flops down in his chair and said I was SURE you had a big A that missed... He didn't think I had him covered and got kind of pissy saying he thought I only had $200 in chips and didn't see my cash, and if he would have known he wouldn't have pushed. The dealer told him you could have asked for a count, it's not his fault you made a bad call..
He just said nice hand and he was off to the ATM.......
If it was just about any other player at the table I would have folded that hand, but this hand is more about picking up patterns and habits of your opponents and playing them, not the cards than anything. Knowing what they are and are not capable of doing and getting THEM to make the mistakes....
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