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    Default micro-MTT A9 in MP. I've stolen the button PF.

    micro-MTT
    273/1246 entrants remain- 140 pay
    avg. stack= roughly t13k

    I've had the luxury of smaller stacks on my left so I've been stealing position for about the last two orbits a good amount and picking up a lot of chips. The mini-stack was in the BB and I wasn't too familiar with the guy on my direct right who limped before me. He'd only been at the table for about 5 or 6 hands and has been giving my raises respect so I haven't had the luxury to see how he reacts to me postflop.

    What's your play here and how are you approaching the turn and/or river if your play involves seeing having to see them? I did put myself in a thinking spot here with the A9- I understand that.

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    Blinds: t200/t400
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    Stack sizes:
    UTG: t12722
    UTG+1: t11764
    UTG+2: t2022
    MP1: t29050
    MP2: t12700
    dbl_gutted: t23904
    CO: t14780
    Button: t4495
    SB: t11690
    BB: t782

    Pre-flop: (10 players) dbl_gutted is MP3 with
    4 folds, MP2 calls t400 (pot was t600), dbl_gutted raises to t1313, 3 folds, BB calls all-in t382, MP2 calls t913 (pot was t2295).

    Flop: (t3608, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2546, Sidepot 1: t1062)
    MP2 bets t400, dbl_gutted ________________ ?
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    Hmmm....400. Part of me wants to call this because you dont have that much info on him. Seems like a probe bet to me. I would probably raise to like 1200, and then see what he does. This seems like a good way to get to know how he plays. If he reraises I fold, and if he calls I decide after the turn comes. If he called I would assume he had Ax. I want to raise more because that gives more information than just calling. I vote for more info on the new player.


    Edit: Also obviously you have pot odds to at least call, and chipwise you are sitting okay. You can afford to reraise him here.


    Double Edit: If he is bluffing he is an idiot, in which case you must CRUSH HIM.
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    Fold . . . . how many plausible hands are you beating?

    AK-AT have you outkicked, A5 & A6 have 2 pair. So we're beating A8, A7, and A2-A4. But A2-A4 don't seem very plausible, nor does A7. So we're beating one plausible A hand. And if he called with 55, 66 or AA (not terribly likely, but possible), we're toast.

    We're going to get to see what he has anyway (due to the all in player), I'd just let this pot go and file the info for free rather than pay on every street just to find out we're beat. If he was bluffing, we can use this info later on him when we know we're in a better spot.

    Besides, worst of all worlds is that we're both beat and have to show down that we raised the limper with A9o in MP3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason75
    Fold . . . . how many plausible hands are you beating?

    AK-AT have you outkicked, A5 & A6 have 2 pair. So we're beating A8, A7, and A2-A4. But A2-A4 don't seem very plausible, nor does A7. So we're beating one plausible A hand. And if he called with 55, 66 or AA (not terribly likely, but possible), we're toast.

    We're going to get to see what he has anyway (due to the all in player), I'd just let this pot go and file the info for free rather than pay on every street just to find out we're beat. If he was bluffing, we can use this info later on him when we know we're in a better spot.

    Besides, worst of all worlds is that we're both beat and have to show down that we raised the limper with A9o in MP3.

    With odds like that I would at least call the 400 and see the turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRE8R
    With odds like that I would at least call the 400 and see the turn.
    This is exactly how I like to sucker in people I have beat badly in sidepots . . .

    I don't mind calling the flop bet and hoping to get lucky, but if you do, expect a nice sized bet on the turn. Again, unless the guy is a total donk, which we'll find out one way or the other.
    Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
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    Micro tourneys, any A is a big hand for a lot of players. I'd think his bet is more of a probe. To me it seems like he's saying "I have an A do you?" Even if you rased with KK he knows he's ahead right now. How good it is is another story, that bet gives me the impression he dosen't like his kicker, unless he's holding AK (which he's probaly raise with), I think he might slow down to a raise, and maybe even check down from here.

    I'd be tempted to thrown in a raise and see how he reacts, the good thing is at the micro levels most people barely pay attention to bet sizes in relation to the pot. A min raise might even be enought to slow him down, even if he has AQ, he might fear AK.

    I'd probably throw either a min or 2x raise at him and see how he reacts, otherwise we're probably facing a decent bet like Jason said on the turn, and we need to make a decision again. If we're going to play the hand I'd rather him have a little pressure than us. If things start getting ugly from there, I'm done with the hand.
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    I jack it up to 2K. I think you guys are giving him too much credit here on a decent hand. He limped both times PF and has shown nothing but maybe two suited paint. He might have KdQd for all we know and is hoping you call down or fold.

    I think his bet and his PF limps give us no information and we have to raise here. Besides, I'm not folding this simply because we were the one who put the most in PF and with TPWK, with 6:1 odds, this is an easy call at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanyBullets1
    I jack it up to 2K. I think you guys are giving him too much credit here on a decent hand. He limped both times PF and has shown nothing but maybe two suited paint. He might have KdQd for all we know and is hoping you call down or fold.

    I think his bet and his PF limps give us no information and we have to raise here. Besides, I'm not folding this simply because we were the one who put the most in PF and with TPWK, with 6:1 odds, this is an easy call at least.
    That's exactly what I did.

    Flop: (t3608, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2546, Sidepot 1: t1062)
    MP2 bets t400, dbl_gutted raises to t2000, MP2 calls t1600.

    Turn: (t7608, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2546, Sidepot 1: t5062)
    MP2 checks, dbl_gutted checks.

    River: (t7608, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2546, Sidepot 1: t5062)
    MP2 bets t400, dbl_gutted calls t400.

    Results:
    Final pot: t8408
    MP2 shows Kc Ks
    dbl_gutted shows 9s Ah
    BB doesn't show 8h 4c
    Last edited by the alex; 07-02-2006 at 12:18 PM.
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    Damnit.

    Raise to 2k was my move as well.

    Micro MTT, the only thing you can safely say if that the limper has two cards. Soooo many players min-bet as a default move that it's practically a check from him.

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    Jason, your posts are best when you quote Harrington on Holdem.

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