i think i played this wrong

**bigjare** · 01-03-2005

world poker exchange tourney

dealt K K so i raised to 50, 2 callers, flop comes Q 5 J one guy bets 30, next guy bets 680, i put the guy who bet 680 on 2 pair. I wait, then to go all in because im not sure he has 2 pair we turn over cards the guy who bet 680 had pocket Queens. the turn and river dont help me so im out. after i was out i thought about it and im 100% sure i should have folded. what a dumb mistake i made.it was early in the tourney so i thought i would build to my stack.i really didnt think he had Q Q. should ive put him Queens or not. Please help me with your suggestions.

**helmuthpoker201** · 01-03-2005

That's a tough hand. He could have a lot of different hands, that it's hard to put him on one. I wouldn't think he had qq because i would think he would play that hand a lot slower. QJ is a possibility and so is jj or 55, but q10, qk, aq, q9, j10, j9, or maybe even a draw are also possible. If you knew the player well and felt that you were beat, then folding might have been an option, but i would say it would be a tough hand to get away from. I definitly would not have thought it was qq... who plays the nuts that agressivly.

He could have AA, but because of how it was played preflop, i would doubt that as well.

**bigjare** · 01-03-2005

thanks for your input . i had a tuff time sleeping last night just thinking about it.Its very hard for me to lay down good hands like that even if i think im beat. I will definaly lay it down next time if there is a next time.

**Beavis68** · 01-03-2005

I dont know if "definitely" laying it down is a good move.

Just because you got busted once does not mean that the call was wrong.

I am sure some will say "of course it was wrong, he lost" but you can't be results oriented in poker, you have to look at the bigger picture. No one showed any strength on that pot, and the big over bet could easily be a semi-bluff or a TPGK.

If you think he will only make this with two pair or better, yeah fold. But otherwise, it is not so clear. If he would do this as a semi-bluff or with some top-pair of middle pair combinations, then the call could be a winner over the long run.

It was like Raymer said when he called Mattias' all in with A10 - he though Mattias would have done that with any ace, against all the Ax hands, Raymer is a favorite. He wins enough on when he has Mattias dominated that is makes up for the times he is dominated and is a long term winner (especially
when you add in the suck-outs).

Read Dan Harrington's book, it explains this well.

**Irexes** · 01-03-2005

I'd have put him on AQ.

Tough beat, but the QQ wasn't obvious

**bonchkid** · 01-03-2005

Bet and a huge overbet, you're beat enough to fold here.

**bigjare** · 01-03-2005

i wasnt sure what he had considering he only call my raise bet preflop. i was slow playing the Kings because i've seen them go down too many times. but he confused me when he bet 680 after the flop. so thats why i thought he might have 2 pair. the other guy in the hand i wasnt worried about because he was short stacked. thank you for your input

**Announced Tilt** · 01-03-2005

Don't slowplay KK. Let's say you get two callers, and there is an Ace on the flop? KK is the second best hand. You want to win money off of it. Playing it slow pre-flop is very weak.

**helmuthpoker201** · 01-03-2005

Originally Posted by bonchkid

Bet and a huge overbet, you're beat enough to fold here.

I disagree. The small bet was for sure not a scare bet, and the huge overbet is usually either a good draw or top pair good kicker (usually). I agree with Beavis, in the long run making this call is the right play, even though you were beat this time. I would make this call as well, unless i knew the player and had a good read on him.

**Beavis68** · 01-03-2005

Originally Posted by bigjare

i wasnt sure what he had considering he only call my raise bet preflop. i was slow playing the Kings because i've seen them go down too many times. but he confused me when he bet 680 after the flop. so thats why i thought he might have 2 pair. the other guy in the hand i wasnt worried about because he was short stacked. thank you for your input

This doesn't make sense Big. You were slow playing them because you have seen them go down in flames, so you call someone elses all-in?

If you are going to slowplay, slowplay and limp(then you could have reraised the QQ all-in), if you are going to bet, do it properly 3-5xBB or if you think you will get calls from smaller pairs or Ax, all-in.

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