Yeah. You have to fold these PF. There's nothing in the pot and you're not getting paid off when you hit most of the time against 1 person.

Originally Posted by Meldon

Turn: ($10.75, 2 players)
CO bets $6, Hero raises all-in $15.1, CO calls.

Hero's play here ???????

Well, once you're all-in there not much else to do but watch what comes up on the river! Too late to fold don't ya think?

Anyway, you played a less than marginal hand like it was prime time but what about the analysis:
1. PF - just call like you did. It's loose but not terribly so - but I won't disagree with folding either!
2. Flop - I don't mind the re-raise with a flush draw and gut-shot str8 - $3 was about right although 50% of pot or $2.50 would accomplish the same thing.
3. Turn - What the hell are you doing? CO just turned over one of his cards to you and it was the Ten!! He has a MADE str8 and you re-raise All-in on a draw????? You have 12 outs (9/flush + 3/non-flush Ts) giving you 2.8-1 drawing odds. His $6 bet was giving you 2.78-1 odds - enough to call plus implied odds for the flush (str8 is either split or lost to a better str8). Just call for crying out loud!
4. River - if you hit the flush re-raise him all-in and if you hit a non-flush T for the str8 - just call incase he has a Q as well. If he checks to the flush draw bet the pot and hope it looks like a steal!

Aces-o-8s mummmbling to self - "All-in on a draw with 4 to the str8 on the board! Obviously watches too much poker on TV!"

Originally Posted by TheEtniesKid

personally i dont think the pf call is all the bad only a 5 handed game facing a possible steal and you arent ill equipped you do have a suited ace.

But he's not really facing a steal, per se...he's not in the blind, has no money in the pot. The flop call is on the loose side IMO but whatever, the turn though...even of he has been raising with mediocre hands he could have Tx with "x" being T or higher.

awful play on the turn. that is really sick what you do. I like the hand up till there. depends what you meen raising w/ marginal pf. marginal = 68o? or KJs?

If 68, A2s etc.. i call here. on flop id also make it 3is to go (prolly 3.75). on turn i auto muck in less than 1 second. thats just wrong push.

Thanks for your comments everyone. I think the concensus is that my turn play was pretty bad (awful, sick, what the hell were you doing ) !!! I hadn't been at the table that long, but I had seen the villain bluff at scare cards on a few occasions. I just had a feeling that he didn't have the T - I know that doesn't make my play right, but at the time I made the push to represent the T, but with outs if I got called.

Villain thought for ages and then called, he turned over 78c for 2 pair and the river was a blank.

And as for the comment about watching too much poker on TV - well I just can't believe these online poker sites don't let you run it twice.

Well, we can piss on the PF play all we want, but:

On the flop:
You hit this flop really hard and he minimum bet. Is this to goad a raise with his 77 or 99 or is he confused about his Jack. I like your raise, but after he calls, you have to hit the breaks because this was a good call by him if he had a set. Bad call if he has AJ, KJ, or JT.

The turn:
JT is a hard hand for a lot of people to lay down PF. Especially when s00ted. His turn bet is genuine, I think. He's definitely in fear of you getting a free river. Unless you have a read from any past experience, you're a 4:1 dog gettin' only about 2.6:1 on the pot.

Here's the big "but":
But when you hit your flush once out of four times, this fish who called that PF raise and the flop raise with his 10 kicker isn't laying down if you hit your diamond. If that case, just calling the $6 isn't bad.

You're 4:1. 4 times you lose $6 for -$24, but you'll win $25.85 ($10.75 pot+ $6 bet +$9.10 that you'll take from him on the river) when you hit, so if this guy's as fishy as he seems, just calling for the diamond isn't a horrible move. But don't let an Ace or set of 8's reel you into calling the river.