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    Mike McDermott tightagressive's Avatar
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    Default huge fold. $22 sng.

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (9 handed) CP hand converter

    Button (t2140)
    Hero (t1960)
    BB (t4060)
    UTG (t2040)
    UTG+1 (t2000)
    MP1 (t2000)
    MP2 (t1900)
    MP3 (t1960)
    CO (t1940)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    [color=#666666]6 folds[/color
    ], Button calls t40, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t120) , , (3 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets t103, Button raises to t306, Hero calls t306, BB folds.

    Turn: (t835) (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks.

    River: (t835) (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets t819, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: t1654

    very early in the tournament, but i have played with him before, i remember his PP name. he is a competnant player. not fantastic, but not a donk. keep that in mind.

    as you can see i was going for a checkraise on the flop, but the villian raised for me. if i pushed all in the only hands calling me are hands that have me beat. a lower 9 probably doesnt limp in here, MAYBE he would with 95, 96, but thats it. (still, i dont think he would. he played really conservitave even in the later stages of the last tournament we were in, and he was the CL)
    on the turn, another 9 that i was beating now beats me, (97)

    on the river, the only hand that i beat that fits his action are 98. and imo, he wouldnt lead out on the river with 98, he would check behind for the same reasons i checked the river.

    So, what could he have? he wouldnt limp in with a GARBAGE hand, he might with 96+
    the only 9 that im beating that he could have would be 98, and thats still unlikley b/c he bet so strongly on the river.
    he checked on the turn which might have been a trap to try to induce weakness, or maybe he had a hand like K9 and feared i hit a straight.
    once i check again he fires out strong on this extremely scary board
    IMO he might have had 98, he probably had 66, A9, etc




    i was getting 2:1 to call the river, in my mind im losing here way more that 50% of the time... easy fold?

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    Well....

    Weird situation...

    I would'nt give vilain to much credit for having you beat on the flop. Why doea he try to kick both of you out on that flop if he has a 9, there is very low possibilities one of you hit that flop if he has a 9. 78, 66 and 9x, are the only remaining possibilities.

    IMO, you have to decide right away on the flop if you want to continue with this hand. if you are going to fold to a pot size bet on later street (especialy after an A hit the board), fold righti on the flop... if not reraise or flat call and lead the turn...

    The way I see it, you had trips on the flop, called a bet bigger than the pot, and the only way you would have won the pot is if its checked down to the showdown...

    Its really hard to put him on a hand here cause you have been too passive IMHO.

    KJ
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    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGJACK
    Well....

    Weird situation...

    I would'nt give vilain to much credit for having you beat on the flop. Why doea he try to kick both of you out on that flop if he has a 9, there is very low possibilities one of you hit that flop if he has a 9. 78, 66 and 9x, are the only remaining possibilities.

    IMO, you have to decide right away on the flop if you want to continue with this hand. if you are going to fold to a pot size bet on later street (especialy after an A hit the board), fold righti on the flop... if not reraise or flat call and lead the turn...

    The way I see it, you had trips on the flop, called a bet bigger than the pot, and the only way you would have won the pot is if its checked down to the showdown...

    Its really hard to put him on a hand here cause you have been too passive IMHO.

    KJ
    did i not mention enough that he was a very conservitave player, and i had played with him before?

    i didnt see him try to steal one pot, or the blinds once. i played him heads up and he check folded every pot that he didnt hit. made raises pf with good hands and limped with marginal ones.

    on this particular hand i felt that on the flop he might have had a 9, a strong 6, or middle pocket pair, up to jacks.

    i called because i was ahead of this range. he bet strong on the river, which meant he didnt have a 6, weak 9, or middle pp (unless he made a boat with 77)


    im not trying to argue, im just saying, he WASNT bluffing

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    Would he get in w/ A9o? Maybe he has the Rounders hand A9s??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTdemocrat
    Would he get in w/ A9o? Maybe he has the Rounders hand A9s??
    I call that hand The McDonkey
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTdemocrat
    Would he get in w/ A9o? Maybe he has the Rounders hand A9s??
    yeah he could concievably limp with any decent hand pf, KQ, A9, 9T, etc.

    a9 really fits his line IMO

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    if villian has a 9, hes betting this turn, unless his kicker is very low.
    i think you should have blocking bet/value bet this river. And if he raises, then you can fold.

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    regardless of what the outcome would have been, remember that a bad fold is never as big a mistake as a bad call
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    Quote Originally Posted by tightagressive
    did i not mention enough that he was a very conservitave player, and i had played with him before?

    i didnt see him try to steal one pot, or the blinds once. i played him heads up and he check folded every pot that he didnt hit. made raises pf with good hands and limped with marginal ones.

    on this particular hand i felt that on the flop he might have had a 9, a strong 6, or middle pocket pair, up to jacks.

    i called because i was ahead of this range. he bet strong on the river, which meant he didnt have a 6, weak 9, or middle pp (unless he made a boat with 77)


    im not trying to argue, im just saying, he WASNT bluffing
    Well... I know all of that, but why did'nt you raise the flop... or lead the turn... you are still ahead of that range of hand.

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    I wouldn't put him on anything more than A6 here.
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