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    Chaser Jen-Jen The Enjen's Avatar
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    Default KQ in the big blind- tournament

    About 60 people left in a $1 tourney. It doesn't show up, but UTG was all in with less than one bet. It's getting tight because we're already well in the money

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Blinds: 3000/6000 ante: 100
    UTG+1 (t78476)
    MP1 (t224593)
    MP2 (t68654)
    MP3 (t216)
    CO (t164653)
    Button (t140600)
    SB (t178573)
    Hero (t125035)
    UTG (t5162)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, K.
    2 folds, MP2 calls t6000, 2 folds, Button calls t6000, SB completes, Hero ???
    Last edited by Jen-Jen The Enjen; 06-25-2006 at 09:22 PM.
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    Don't know the blinds/antes, or your chip position in the tourney, but unless the blinds are outrageous, you seem like you have some breathing room, no need to gamble.

    Fold, 2 callers already in... no sense getting wrapped up in a marginal hand out of position. I wouldn't doubt one of the callers already has a pocket pair and another has at least an A. If one has AK or AQ you're dominated....wait for a better spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pok 7's

    Fold, 2 callers already in... no sense getting wrapped up in a marginal hand out of position. I wouldn't doubt one of the callers already has a pocket pair and another has at least an A. If one has AK or AQ you're dominated....wait for a better spot.
    since when is checking the BB a gamble?

    utg is all in for less than one bet.

    i would check here.

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    Is Pok 7's a little drinkie?

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    Just noticed the blinds and antes are posted .

    Tight, there's a 6000 bet out there that's already been called by 2 people unless I'm missing something here.

    Blinds are 300/600 there's 2 callers on a bet of 6000

    I was thinking someone pushed for 6000 chips and got 2 callers.
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    I think the blinds must be incorrect as listed, probably due to the converter. Cuz if not, those are some big chip stacks and Ms and Qs for blinds of 300/600.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jte87
    I think the blinds must be incorrect as listed, probably due to the converter. Cuz if not, those are some big chip stacks and Ms and Qs for blinds of 300/600.

    *Revised*

    Okay if you can check the hand PF check.
    If it costs 6000 to see the flop, fold.

    Sorry but apparently I'm completely lost here.
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    Ahhhh crap.

    Another KQo in the BB thread. Great.

    As always, we check here.

    1) There are 3 others in the hand (ignoring UTG), 2 of which have decent stacks. I highly doubt a standard raise here (4-7bb depending on table conditions) will get rid of everybody. We can't fold, so we check. Any raise bigger than this may commit you when you don't need to be, and the only hands that call there, in the side pot, are the biggies.

    2) You have to showdown. There is no total fold equity here. There is no mystery to what you are holding. Part of the allure of blind stealing is that they will never be sure of what you have, until they look you up. Now they have a kamikaze oompaloompa in the UTG spot to do that for them for free. They will notice you raised with a marginal hand and will start pushing back at you later when you don't want it. The end game is approaching, and a solid tight image will probably go a lot farther than this 4.x BB pot.
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    im checking this pf and taking it postflop

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    Marm's advice is spot on.

    Note that I would raise with AK/AQ, AA-TT to isolate or at least create a sidepot you can play after the flop.

    These situations come up all the time in tournaments, and playing them effectively can lead to some seriously big pots if you hit a great flop.

    For instance, if the flop comes AQQ, KQ7, etc. . . you want to min bet the damn thing. You're almost going to play this like a limit hand . . . if they've got an A, they'll likely call and grumble "stupid idiot doesn't realize he's betting into a dry sidepot" . . . .

    Of course you do realize you're betting into a dry sidepot, but the pot odds will get them to stick around. Don't worry about giving them the correct odds to draw out . . . your mission on the flop is to create a nice little sidepot that can become contested on the turn and river.

    Then keep pricing them in with bets that are around 1/2 sidepot sized. If a scare card hits, you may want to slow down and see if your opponent now bets the hand.

    When big stacks call into a situation like this where a very small stack has gone all in, your edge is that people who hit a piece of the flop will call small bets "because you're an idiot for betting a dry sidepot". Most players don't feel comfortable playing these situations, so another edge is that you've got them out of their comfort zone. Good players will fold, but mediocre or weak players will call.
    Last edited by Jason75; 06-26-2006 at 11:57 AM.
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