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  1. #1
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    Default Could I have played this river better?

    ***** Hand History for Game 1378966416 *****
    $0.5/$1 Hold'em - Sunday, January 02, 02:54:35 EDT 2005
    Table Table 13300 (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 2: ewood3742 ( $17.25 )
    Seat 3: lilmike77 ( $26.5 )
    Seat 4: El_Tranza ( $168 )
    Seat 5: auburnstud43 ( $20 )
    Seat 7: nachos3 ( $33.25 )
    Seat 8: DCOTA ( $47 )
    Seat 9: hargrem ( $44.25 )
    Seat 1: flawless21 ( $23.75 )
    Seat 6: cdhtrout ( $49.75 )
    Seat 10: BullySlayer ( $24 )
    auburnstud43 posts small blind [$0.25].
    cdhtrout posts big blind [$0.5].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to flawless21 [ Ac 4c ]
    >You have options at Table 12663 Table!.
    nachos3 folds.
    DCOTA calls [$0.5].
    hargrem calls [$0.5].
    BullySlayer calls [$0.5].
    flawless21 calls [$0.5].
    ewood3742 calls [$0.5].
    >You have options at Table 12663 Table!.
    lilmike77 calls [$0.5].
    El_Tranza raises [$1].
    auburnstud43 folds.
    cdhtrout folds.
    DCOTA calls [$0.5].
    >You have options at Table 12663 Table!.
    hargrem calls [$0.5].
    BullySlayer calls [$0.5].
    flawless21 calls [$0.5].
    ewood3742 calls [$0.5].
    lilmike77 calls [$0.5].
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Jh, 6c ]
    DCOTA checks.
    hargrem checks.
    BullySlayer checks.
    flawless21 checks.
    ewood3742 checks.
    lilmike77 bets [$0.5].
    El_Tranza calls [$0.5].
    DCOTA folds.
    hargrem calls [$0.5].
    BullySlayer folds.
    flawless21 calls [$0.5].
    ewood3742 calls [$0.5].
    >You have options at Table 12663 Table!.
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
    hargrem checks.
    flawless21 checks.
    ewood3742 checks.
    lilmike77 bets [$1].
    El_Tranza folds.
    hargrem calls [$1].
    flawless21 calls [$1].
    ewood3742 folds.
    ** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
    hargrem checks.
    flawless21 bets [$1].
    lilmike77 raises [$2].
    hargrem folds.
    flawless21 calls [$1].
    lilmike77 shows [ Tc, Jd ] three of a kind, jacks.
    flawless21 shows [ Ac, 4c ] a flush, ace high.
    flawless21 wins $16.5 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.


    I think everything pre-river was fine but on the river, should I have check-raised, or (with how I bet into him) 3bet him back? I feared full because that was just how my day had been...

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    I would have raised more on the river, i really think he would have played stronger if he had a boat. I think he would have been more agressive, rather than playing scared with baby raises like what he was doing.
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    nevermind it was limit
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    Um extremely weakt-tight to not 3 bet this. You ahve to put him on J9 or 66 to be beat, 3 bet and call a cap...
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    Weak tight? Definitely not tight. You could have raised the flop too.

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    Um so you are advocating not 3 betting here? Just wondering.
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    I am still very noobish on limit, so do I generally 2bet nut flush draws on flops?

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    If you think everyone will call another bet, yes raise. Whenever there are 4-5 people in you want as much money as possible if you are drawing to the nuts.

    3bet the river!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid
    Um so you are advocating not 3 betting here? Just wondering.
    I am not sure. It could win you one bet or lose you two. Most of the players I play are very sensitive to flush cards and would not raise with a flush on the board unless they could beat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bboy
    I am still very noobish on limit, so do I generally 2bet nut flush draws on flops?
    When you have 3 or more opponents you can raise for value on the flop. Here, you probably only have 8 outs, but that is still about 33% pot equity, so you can profitable raise 3 or more opponents if you think they will call.

    Depending upon your players, a raise may also tell you if you are drawing dead or not.

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