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    Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 6.
    1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

    Flop: (8 SB) 2, 8, 7 (4 players)
    Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

    Turn: (10 BB) 8 (3 players)
    Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, (All-In) calls, Hero calls.

    River: (20.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
    Hero bets, MP2 calls.

    Final Pot: 22.50 BB

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    I dont like the call pf here. I don't have the numbers, but I doubt its +EV to call a raise out of the SB with small suited connectors. You got 4 to the flop so maybe I am wrong, but I typically let these go here.

    You hit the miracle flop, and I think there is nothing much you can do ifferently. I am assuming UTG+1 has a high PP, MP2 looks like he is drawing at the 4th hrt, so this would scare me if a heart hits turn or river....if I am right, I am guessing he also has a small piece of board so he makes a crying call on river when he misses his draw.

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    I hate the PF call. You have horrible position. Shit hands in the blinds are why the blinds are there- to bait in suckers. Professional poker players invented blind bets and put them in the front for a reason.

    The minute that board pairs after a capped flop, I'm calling him down. He's either got a boat, quads, or a set. The pot's too big to fold, but I'm not recommending it unless you have a ton of confidence in your reads. I'd fold because I knew on the flop that he had a set. You're drawing to 2 outs to the straight flush.
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    Alex,

    Why are we reading a boat here? He's been raising since before the flop and then comes out and raises it up after the flop on a small board. I think this guy is probably your avergae donk who refuses to think he can lose with AA or KK. Maybe he has a heart in there also so he feels good enough to disregard the three hearts.

    Would he really have raised 78 pre-flop from utg+1? 88? 77?

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    That's why I said that I wouldn't recommend a fold. I'm saying that if this hand happened to me in a game I'd fold. I did that with a bitch straight when the board paired in a thread here. I'm saying to call it down. The pot's huge. You're not losing much and you're not leaving money on the table by not keeping this shooout going with a mediocre flush.

    This guy would raise with AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh. Ah9h. Ah4h, Ah3h, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, JhTh, 22, 77, and 88 like they're AA-JJ, I'd think. I'm actually pickin' up the read on Dizzy's post that he lost to an Ace-hi flush.

    Betting the river= Bad.
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    It turns out that MP2 had AJo and just couldnt let it go!

    Seriously, I cant believe he called all that and then called the river. I was thinking he had Pocket 8s or 7s at one point and I know the preflop call was bad. Im experimenting.....

    I also thought about the ace high flush but the read I had on MP2 was that he was raising most things down to ATo so it was quite unlikely from how he had been playing. I must admit I got lucky and could have easily have been up against a higher flush, boat or even quads from the way that it played out, if another heart had hit I was folding my hand, I think thats what UTG + 2 had (a single high heart)

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    WOW!

    That's weird. I just woke up so I probably shouldn't be handin out thoughts right now.
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    Dizzy, really work on your starting hands, the others have excellent points about calling with weak hands especially out of position.

    Post flop I think is really good, you got a dream flop, It is unlikely that UTG+1 flopped much of anything except maybe a bigger flush draw along with an overpair. MP2 is a little worrisome, the way he is just calling, any reads?

    Actually you played the hand well post flop, I probably would have slowed down on the turn though, especially without reads.

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    Good point, Phyto.

    In the speed on the turn and river, your flop aggression was spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phytopath
    Dizzy, really work on your starting hands, the others have excellent points about calling with weak hands especially out of position.

    Post flop I think is really good, you got a dream flop, It is unlikely that UTG+1 flopped much of anything except maybe a bigger flush draw along with an overpair. MP2 is a little worrisome, the way he is just calling, any reads?

    Actually you played the hand well post flop, I probably would have slowed down on the turn though, especially without reads.
    Only reason I played it was because I was majorly up for the session I know we shouldnt but we all do it...

    Dream flop couldnt agree more felt like I wanted to push all in, then remembered this is Limit, ha!

    The paired board scared me a lot, Ive taken some notes on who called the hand since they really had nothing and I want to take more from them next time. I have reads on them now...

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