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Hero has about $26
2 limpers in MP, 1 limper in LP
Hero is SB with Kc4c
Hero completes, BB checks.
5 to the flop
*** Flop *** : 4s 10c 9c
Hero, first to act, has flopped bottom pair with a FD.
What do u do?
Lets say you bet pot on flop, and is flat called. Turn is a 5h. How would u play turn?
Lets say you checked, and one of the MP limpers bets the pot. You check-raise, and he flat calls. Turn is a 5h. How do u play turn?
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06-21-2006 #1Poker Professional
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NL Hand
Last edited by Eclipse86; 06-21-2006 at 03:44 AM.
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06-21-2006 #2Super Moderator
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Is this $50NL?
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06-21-2006 #3River Rat
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I'm checking this, if I get a small raise I'll call as I have plenty of outs, I'm folding to a large raise tho.
Your out of position with 4 people to act behind you, there is no way I'm betting or raising with Bottom pair and 2nd flush draw from that position.Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:
:kh :jd
Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:
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06-21-2006 #4Chaser
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First I wouldn t complete. check flop, fold to any raise larger than the min. You don t have the pot odds to draw to the flush, and hitting the bottom pair only gives you 3 additional outs, and they may not even be clean if someone has the Ac.
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06-21-2006 #5River Rat
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i'm folding in both situations.
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eldave - How does hitting bottom pair give you 3 outs? If you are assuming you are up against a pair of 10's (obviously not KT) or even two pairs 10's and 9's, then it gives you 2 more 4's and 3 more kings = 5 outs.
Obviously someone has JQ then your Kings are not live giving 2 outs and if someone has trips the 4 is irrelevant and gives you 0 additional outs.
If this is $100NL the pot will contain $5 and as hero has $26 left, I think I would be looking to check-raise all in.
At $50NL the pot will contain only $2.50 and so I could either check-fold, check-call or check-raise depending on action ahead of me.
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06-21-2006 #7River Rat
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Seriously? Can you explain that one?
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
Bad Beat of the week 27/08/2006:
:kh :jd
Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
River :4c :rant: :mad: :rant: :eek:
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06-21-2006 #8Super Moderator
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Pot is $5.
I assume here that the bet is also going to be $5 and the rest of the table has either checked before the bet or folded after it.
Pot = $10
My stack = $26
- I think for someone to call a $21 raise to their $5 bet I have a large amount of fold equity to win $10.
However if called I am getting 36:26 or 1.4:1 on my money.
- If called by either top pair/overpair/top two pairs I am going to win 50% of time and at odds of 1.4:1 this is +EV.
- If I am called by trips (bad) I will still have 30% pot equity
- I may get a call from either a hand like Ax of clubs in which case my pair is ahead and I have 2 of his outs, or a lower flush draw who is not in good shape.
I'm not going to try to put together a calculation of the chance the original bet is a bluff/the chance the original bettor may fold top pair/the chance of being called by each hand - feel free to try!
However this is my reasoning for why I believe it would be the correct play.
EDIT: Plus the table image of being seen pushing a draw may help next time you decide to overbet trips on a flush drawing board.Last edited by WotaWaster; 06-21-2006 at 09:49 AM.
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06-21-2006 #9Chaser
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I was only counting additional outs that would give you two pair or trips, I wasn t including the suited cards which would give you the flush, which would be the same regardless of hitting bottom pair.
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06-21-2006 #10Mike McDermott
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against multiple limpers out of position, i will play it pretty passively unless i happen to improve.
its just a big drawing hand, you have alot of outs, there are times when this type of hand can be played very agressively, this is not one of those spots imo
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