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    Default Early MTT hand

    i have 1700 in chips in MP with KhJh
    blinds 10/20
    Both opponents covers me

    i limp
    button raise to 60
    BB call
    I call

    flop
    Kx 5h 7h

    BB check
    I check (should I bet)
    Button bet 100
    BB call
    I raise 400 total
    button is all in BB call...

    What to do?
    Im probably beaten, and BB may have 2 of my outs...

    On the other side I have top pair and potentialy 14 out to win a massive pot... pot odds are also pretty interesting!!!

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    You've gotta lead for about 120 on the flop, no question. If you get raised, you have 12 outs.

    This one's up to you. I'll take risks to build a large stack at times and at others, I'll be more cautious and conservative with my draws. I don't think I can fault you calling or folding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    You've gotta lead for about 120 on the flop, no question. If you get raised, you have 12 outs.
    I may have forgot to say button was really agressive and was betting almost all the flops... to be honest, I think he bet all flops when it was checked to him... not a big sample of course, but I was 90% sure he would bet that one.

    Do you still bet?

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Same rationale applies because a lot of your chips are gonna be at risk. I make money because people think that the poker gods frown on aggressive players and we never get Aces or hit sets. You're using the same 3 board cards that he is.

    You can't win the tourney here. If you're willing to play this out, check-raise all in for top value on your coin flip. If you're gonna be cautious, call the 100 and play the turn and river as the cards fall. I prefer to be more straight-forward early and I think you dancing too much in this hand.
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    I'm betting the flop here for a couple of reasons, you dont want someone else to take control, and if you bet out 2-300 here, it may look like a steal and someone may come over the top. I don't think you can put your opp on Axh, maybe the dry Ah but your still looking good. You flopped top pair with a good kicker, you have the second nut flush draw so the only hands you really need to worry about are Axh, AK, KQ, 55 or 77... My guess one flopped a set, the other's got the dry Ah... Blinds are 10/20 and if this is a $5 SNG, I call and if I miss I go on, if I hit I can cruise. If it's a rebuy in the first 5 minutes, no brainer. If it's the Sunday $215 on 'Stars, I'm seriously thinking before calling and may, just may lay it down.. Depends on the first few hands I've seen the guys play. I don't think your far behind if you are, and you have a ton of outs if you are..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_dude
    I'm betting the flop here for a couple of reasons, you dont want someone else to take control, and if you bet out 2-300 here, it may look like a steal and someone may come over the top. I don't think you can put your opp on Axh, maybe the dry Ah but your still looking good. You flopped top pair with a good kicker, you have the second nut flush draw so the only hands you really need to worry about are Axh, AK, KQ, 55 or 77... My guess one flopped a set, the other's got the dry Ah... Blinds are 10/20 and if this is a $5 SNG, I call and if I miss I go on, if I hit I can cruise. If it's a rebuy in the first 5 minutes, no brainer. If it's the Sunday $215 on 'Stars, I'm seriously thinking before calling and may, just may lay it down.. Depends on the first few hands I've seen the guys play. I don't think your far behind if you are, and you have a ton of outs if you are..
    Well its neither a 5$ SNG either a 215$ buy in... its a 25$ buy in MTT... 200 entrants I think...

    KJ
    Originally Posted by Girevik
    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    3400 from them in the pot, 460 from you

    pot total is 3860 1240 for you to call.
    That is 3.1:1. I call.
    Last edited by Beavis68; 06-20-2006 at 01:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGJACK
    Well its neither a 5$ SNG either a 215$ buy in... its a 25$ buy in MTT... 200 entrants I think...

    KJ
    That certainly complicates things.... Given the fact that the button was very aggressive, he may be trying to buy the pot...... Like I said, I think small chance may be slightly behind on the flop, good chance your ahead with chances to improve.... I'm probably calling the 2 AI looking to triple up with those odds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGJACK
    i have 1700 in chips in MP with KhJh
    blinds 10/20
    Both opponents covers me

    i limp
    button raise to 60
    BB call
    I call

    flop
    Kx 5h 7h

    BB check
    I check (should I bet)
    Button bet 100
    BB call
    I raise 400 total
    button is all in BB call...

    What to do?
    Im probably beaten, and BB may have 2 of my outs...

    On the other side I have top pair and potentialy 14 out to win a massive pot... pot odds are also pretty interesting!!!

    KJ
    I don't dislike your check on the flop ... I do this often myself with top pair and the flush draw. It gives you the oportunity to make lots of moves, it also gets your opponent to bet big to get you off the flush draw (which is what you want if you want to gamble).

    If you check the flop with the intention of taking a gamble on future bets then it has done its job ... get your chips in and keep your fingers crossed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    3400 from them in the pot, 460 from you

    pot total is 3860 1240 for you to call.
    That is 3.1:1. I call.
    Agreed.
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