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    Default NL flop play analysis

    NL100 game on Party Poker

    have about $46 at the table.

    dealt AQo in MP. No reads on Villian.

    1 EP limper, folds to me
    I raise to $5.
    folds around to BB, who flat calls.
    EP limper folds.


    Flop: Q J 9 (all spades - i have no spades).. PS is about $11.5

    Villian (BB) leads for 6 dollars.

    Hero ????????? ($41 stack left for hero)



    What do u do on the flop, If u raise, how much do u raise?

    Also what do u do on the turn if ur called?

    What do u do on the turn, if villian leads into you again after u raise him on the flop?

    What do u do on the turn, if villian checks to you on turn after u raise him on flop?

    What do u do if villian re-raises you on flop?


    Be as detailed as possible, Thanks!
    Last edited by Eclipse86; 06-17-2006 at 02:08 PM.

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    Got a read on Villian? This is a classic flop to bluff.

    I'd raise him to $15. If he re-re-raises, fold. If he calls. Your read/stats dictates the turn.
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    These are ugly flops - unless you have the flush!

    I usually just fold these mothers but you have TPTK and that complicates it a bunch! I kind of think the BB is either on a flush bluff/semi-bluff or caught TP or 2nd pair and is using the flush board as an extra threat. Why? b/c if he had flopped the made flush I would expect most guys to slowplay it although this may be a ck-raise! Exception to leading out on a flushed board is if a solid player is playing a low flush and wants a quick win rather than get outdrawn by someone playing the lone or . Is BB a solid player?

    Action; raise or fold. Calling only gets you in deeper and with no new info. You'll be faced with same problem on turn.

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    I would push. If he has anything big he will call. Maybe you can get him to make a mistake and you could still come out ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRE8R
    I would push. If he has anything big he will call. Maybe you can get him to make a mistake and you could still come out ahead.
    worst advice i've read on these forums

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    You need to know villan here -badly.

    Have you been stealing blind alot? - is the table pissed with you?

    The odds are against a made hand.. but they are good enough that with an aggressive player its a coin flip - so aim to keep the pot small.

    I have a tight rep. As soon as I smell a blind attack I will drop into the QJ, QT, KT (plus loads of others) range. You really dont want him to have these hands.

    Your hand isnt going anywhere - little hope of improvement. If he hits he will have you pot committed.

    So - with your stack.

    I call and be prepared to put down if the following lands:

    Spade
    8
    K

    you have represented an ace preflop - there's one way he knows its not As.

    If you re-raise is it simply an all leaving no betting left on the turn (if hes drawing he wants that.)
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    ok heres what i did guys..
    i raised flop to about $15...
    villian flat calls
    Turn is a 8..
    villian checks to me..


    hero ???????
    i have about $26 left.. with a ps of about $41.5

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    Bro, this isn't a card hand. It's a human hand. Any advice you get without giving us a read is gonna be bad because all we know are the cards. This isn't Pai Gow. That said, I'm seeing that he won't fold. "Do you have the best hand?" is the only question. How am I supposed to know? This is a very ambiguous hand. Without a read, you're guessing and playing video poker.

    Is he stubborn on the flop, turn, and river?

    Is he conservative?

    Is he situational?

    This can be told in his SD%- how many times he gets there in relation to his VPIP and his winning%. I'm not asking for numbers. Just an observation, a generalization. If you have nothing, then admit you're guessing and fold the flop. I'd rather lay down TPTK on that board knowing nothing than playing the first round of memory for half of my money.
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    you should raise to about 18$.

    Most ppl who hit two pair/strait/set would pot it. he 1/2 pots it, so he could have:

    flush
    flush draw
    bluff

    If hes LAg than he would deff bet flush I think. You need a read. If hes a fish, he might bet two pair/strait/set.... lightly, but if hes decent, he would wanna bet those harder.

    If your ok with being pot comitted raise to like 22$.
    If he calls and the turn is dirty you should check/fold. If he calls and the turn is good, your still in bad sahpe (b/c he called flop). He could be on a draw I guess, but he could have 2pair. If he cheks, I guess I go all in (w/ full stack id prolly check). If he bets, again on turn I prolly fold. (however with small stack Id be tempted to call/go all in). I realy hate playing with less than 100bb.
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    still guessing here. It is not uncommon for players to make a CB into any strong flop.

    A made hand or draw will try to suck you out.

    TP loses value from:

    preflop ->flop-> turn->river. This is why AA makes so much money - its all preflop.

    CBs usually die at the turn but it depends on player...

    If you bet out he may call with a flush draw.. but there are still IO and PO around so really I'd just be checking this down.. rather than making a bet to remove these odds which essentially pc's you if he has a made hand


    You may suck him out - he may suck you out: Don't pay the house any more rake to establish which of you is the biggest sucker...
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