9's in a great position. Less than 100 left in a 1258 field

**the alex** · 06-14-2006

This guy was doing a lot of check-raising. Every top pair, he check-raised. He was showing a lot of naked Aces. I'll be honest. I put him on a bad Ace or a bad pair. So this was 50/50. But, this structure doesn't allow for value calls when you're only about 60% sure of yourself.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 ante is t75 (9 handed) CP hand converter

saw flop

UTG (t30057)
UTG+1 (t73943)
MP1 (t42938)
MP2 (t37145)
MP3 (t27987)
dbl_gutted (t42079)
Button (t84611)
SB (t29811)
BB (t33765)

Preflop: dbl_gutted is CO with

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2 folds, MP1 raises to t4000, 2 folds, dbl_gutted raises to t10000, 3 folds, MP1 calls t6000.

Flop: (t23675)

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(2 players)
MP1 checks, dbl_gutted checks.

Turn: (t23675)

(2 players)
MP1 checks, dbl_gutted ______________ ?

Do not respond without a river approach if he calls my bet or I check. Be as detailed as possible.

EDIT: Ooops. I left something in and I hope you guys missed it. Seems like it since there weren't any comments. If you did see it, keep going regardless of results.

**Aces-o-8s** · 06-14-2006

What happened to the blinds and antes?

Looks like you both are afraid of the Ace on the flop.

Hard to guage the table from your HH but he checked into you twice so if you don't take a shot at the pot on the turn you're giving up the the pot. Throw in a probe bet of 7-8000 and see what he does. If he comes back strong, you're behind with one draw left- fold! If he calls he'll likely check on the river - check it thru although unless he does have an ace or ten I can't imagine what the hell he could call with!. If you check the turn expect him to coming leading out on the river with as little as King high!

You have committed almost 25% of your stack, question now is how much more can you risk without getting pot committed (no more than 7-8000 I'm thinking) and how much will it take to bring this pot down on the turn - if it can be brought down. MP1 may be slowplaying you but he may also be checking K-Q or K-J on the high side or Jx or lower connectors on the low side.

Yep - probe bet and hope to hell it's enough to make him fold before going to the river!

Edit: your pf re-raise in relation to your (both) stack sizes has put you in a very difficult flop situation with only a medium pocket pair. With your M so close to 11 it would have been a good all-in pf but raisiing off 5 BB leaves you very little room to 'play the hand' without getting pot committed and/or all-in probablly on the flop. I don't think you have enough stack for a re-raise with this hand! Just calling would have given the room to outplay MP1 post-flop or just fold and find another opportunity.

2nd Edit - corrected some bad math in regards to M

**the alex** · 06-14-2006

These converters all suck with tournament hands. when antes and all ins are involved. I fixed it.

**Eclipse86** · 06-14-2006

I dont really like the small RR pf. With this hand, depending on the tightness of the player as well as my read, I would either RR all in pf OR flat call and play it postflop - most likely for set value.

Reason being that:

A. Your stack size is really small in relation to the blinds. 21 BB's and M of 11. Your almost in all-in or fold mode, if not already.

B. Not alot of flops are going to look good for you.

C. Your nines can easily get outplayed postflop.

Villians PF min raise looks very weak, so im probably swaying towards a PF push. Although again, this depends on ur read on villian.

Given the way that u played this PF. I think the best thing you should have done was to bet the flop. By checking the flop in position, you lost alot of fold equity from villian. You have alot of fold equity on the flop given the fact that u RRed PF so you should have taken advantage of that by betting the flop. I bet about 1/2ps there on the flop.

Has villian been check-raising the PF aggressor with TPWK even when he was RRed PF?

If he checkraises on flop, then just lay it down.

Given the fact that you RRed PF and checked the flop Villian will now probably not laydown a weak ace on the turn if that is indeed what he has.

Turn - given the way that u played it, I would bet the turn for about 1/2ps.
If he raises then I fold. If he flat calls, then i check-fold river.

**the alex** · 06-14-2006

Originally Posted by Eclipse86

Has villian been check-raising the PF aggressor with TPWK even when he was RRed PF?

He's "that guy," you know? He the guy who calls raises with any Ace for the sole reason to checkraise when an Ace hits. Anyone who's ever played any poker knows "this guy." That's why I didn't say we was tricky. He wasn't. He was cliche.

**Irexes** · 06-15-2006

I havn't read any responses. So..

I bet 11000 there. It feels the right sum and leaves me with enough of a stack and options for the hand. He not reraising unless he has an Ace or he's got balls of steel and you don't suggest he has.

If he does reraise, I fold. If he calls and checks the river, I check as well.

If the river is higher than a 9 then I start praying and if he bets I think hard and probably call if it leaves me with more than 10000. If the river is less than a 9 and he bets then I'll struggle to lay it down whatever he puts in.

Incidentally his betting fits TT, if he's got it, I'll pay him off but it's a worry.

(and for the record I'd have bet 10000 on the flop)

**Irexes** · 06-15-2006

Read the responses and I like the preflop action. It gives room to manouever (not much, but at this point of the tourney you don't much, but enough) and sets up all sorts of flop possibilities.

This is a hand where you are not really basing your play on the strength of your cards, you are basing your play on the strength of his.

**Joem04** · 06-15-2006

mmm i think i am just checking the turn even though neither one of you as showed any interest in the pot he is only going to call you with a better hand since he likes to try and be tricky and check raise, if he would have had a weaker hand i think he might have bet the turn since you didnt bet the flop like he was hoping if he did have an ace.

river depending on what comes and whether or not he bets but if it is higher then a nine and he bets im most likely folding unless he bets small if he checks happy to check behind him

**Beavis68** · 06-15-2006

I dont get the preflop raise amount and then the flop check.

**ypsieast** · 06-15-2006

On the turn you have about 33k. Average stack for the tourney is probably around 25k. If you lose this hand without putting in more chips you are still in very good shape.
Based on your read, he could easily have Ax, and would be unlikely to fold it. If that's the case, you don't want to stab at this pot. What else could he have? Would he be checking with a smaller pair, 7s or 8s, or would he have already bet? I'm guessing he would have bet at least on the turn.
So you only beat KQ, KJ, QJ (if he would play this). Against these hands he has 6 outs for a pair and 4 outs for a str8. 22% to make his hand on the river. He is definitely > 22% to have an ace right now. This makes betting the turn more costly than giving up a free care. Pot is a decent size right now, so if he has KQ and checks a blank on the river, then I'm happy to take a 24k pot.
Conclusion, I check the turn. I hope to check through on the river. If the river is paint, I fold to a bet. If the river is blank, the question is, Would he bluff at the pot with King high? If he would, then how much would I call? Let's say he has Ax 75% of the time, and Kx 25%. You can justify calling a river bet that offers 3 to 1 odds. So I call the river here up to 10k.
(note: my answer might change if you think he would be checking flop and turn with 77 or 88).

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