I'm still getting to grips with 6 max NL.My biggest leak is rake lol.. I got RB but none the less I'm being forced into Short Stack and ultratight play on the loose tables. I think the smaller pots at higher limits will help eventually...

This was a very loose table - everyone was an idiot.What makes this special was I was tilty having just had QQ cracked THREE times by weaker hands on later streets within two minutes) -

This hand if curious because the question is "should I have called?" The answer is a little deeper than usual...

Game #2692019904: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2006/06/14 - 20:07:15 (GMT)
Table "Masters" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Onetogs (US$13.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Hibbie001 (US$11.57 in chips)
Seat 3: cad425 (US$19.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Kerds (US$32.87 in chips)
Seat 5: DrDeme (US$4.90 in chips)
Kerds: posts small blind US$0.15
DrDeme: posts big blind US$0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DrDeme [7d As]
Onetogs: calls US$0.25
Hibbie001: calls US$0.25
cad425: calls US$0.25
Kerds: calls US$0.10
DrDeme: checks
----- FLOP ----- [JavaScript Ts 8s]
Kerds: checks
DrDeme: checks
Onetogs: bets US$1.50
Hibbie001: raises to US$3
cad425: folds
Kerds: raises to US$15.25

***** Should I call? Incidently I had 15 seconds to judge and was playing two other tables....

Originally Posted by xxdemexx

Table "Masters" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Onetogs (US$13.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Hibbie001 (US$11.57 in chips)
Seat 3: cad425 (US$19.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Kerds (US$32.87 in chips)
Seat 5: DrDeme (US$4.90 in chips)
Kerds: posts small blind US$0.15
DrDeme: posts big blind US$0.25

----- FLOP ----- [JavaScript Ts 8s]
Kerds: checks
DrDeme: checks
Onetogs: bets US$1.50
Hibbie001: raises to US$3
cad425: folds
Kerds: raises to US$15.25

***** Should I call? Incidently I had 15 seconds to judge and was playing two other tables....

You only had $4.90 in your stack before the blinds were posted and you are 2:1 to hit the nut flush. Pretty easy call imo.

I can't multi-table and while there are time I wished I could, the fact is you're not 'playing poker' anymore - just betting the hands which is level 1 poker. I guess it works against level 1 players but against a decent player whose paying attention I think multi-table players are easily outplayed because they're so busy they havn't got time to watch the dynamics of the hands developing.

With the betting pattern I would expect at least four spades held out there - a made weaker flush and Ks and Qs. Possibly trips. so I'm a long way from 2:1... Us multitablers huh... can't focus on one table too carefully

Just because it's 6max. doesn't mean that no one ever has big hands at the same time. The major limpage lets you know that there are one or two guys playing shit suited cards. Are they spades? Don't know.

What I do know is that the worst case scenario is that you're a 3:1 dog for $4.65 to win $1.10+ $1 +$3 + $4.65 at worst $9.75. Two flush are SOOO doubtful, but if Hibbie hit his set, he's not gonna lay it down and I think he popped a set of 8's or's carrying a Q9. If he's carrying the Q9, I think he's folding, but the 8's, he isn't laying them down.

So, you're looking at $4.65 to win $11.40.

Not enough in the pot. I say fold.

Now, if you're shortstacking looking to get lucky early, call and gamble with it. You have a great table. Rebuy for $25 and you'll get the $5 back with little effort.

yeah .its a fold... But I called it on pot odds (said i was on tilt)

Game #2692019904: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2006/06/14 - 20:07:15 (GMT)
Table "Masters" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Onetogs (US$13.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Hibbie001 (US$11.57 in chips)
Seat 3: cad425 (US$19.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Kerds (US$32.87 in chips)
Seat 5: DrDeme (US$4.90 in chips)
Kerds: posts small blind US$0.15
DrDeme: posts big blind US$0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DrDeme [7d As]
Onetogs: calls US$0.25
Hibbie001: calls US$0.25
cad425: calls US$0.25
Kerds: calls US$0.10
DrDeme: checks
----- FLOP ----- [JavaScript Ts 8s]
Kerds: checks
Pitbul005 joins the table at seat #6
DrDeme: checks
Onetogs: bets US$1.50
Hibbie001: raises to US$3
cad425: folds
Kerds: raises to US$15.25
Pitbul005 sits out
DrDeme: is all-in US$4.65
Onetogs: is all-in US$11.80
Hibbie001: is all-in US$8.32
Returned uncalled bets US$1.95 to Kerds
----- TURN ----- [JavaScript Ts 8s][2s]
----- RIVER ----- [JavaScript Ts 8s 2s][8h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Kerds: shows [Qs 9d] (A Flush, Queen high)
DrDeme: shows [7d As] (A Flush, Ace high)
Onetogs: shows [7s 5s] (A Flush, Jack high)
Hibbie001: shows [4s Ks] (A Flush, King high)
Kerds collects US$3.76 from Side pot #2
Hibbie001 collects US$19.01 from Side pot #1
DrDeme collects US$18.90 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot US$43.82 Main pot US$18.90 Side pot #1 US$19.01 | Side pot #2 US$3.76 | Rake US$2.15
Board [JavaScript Ts 8s 2s 8h]
Seat 1: Onetogs showed [7s 5s] and lost
Seat 2: Hibbie001 showed [4s Ks] and won (US$19.01) with A Flush, King high
Seat 3: cad425 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Kerds (small blind) showed [Qs 9d] and won (US$3.76) with A Flush, Queen high
Seat 5: DrDeme (big blind) showed [7d As] and won (US$18.90) with A Flush, Ace high
****HAND ENDS****

As Alex pointed out.. the pot ain't worth it. I went through the likely holdings after and in pot odds terms its slightly positive BUT.. look at the rake. I pay $1 in rake on this hand (split with other guy).. BUT - its a marginal call so it approx doubles up again... So in the long term I'm paying about $2 in rake to win a $1.25 pot...

It wasn't trips it was a made str8 driving - but I got most of the other cards in ten seconds...not too bad for a robot multitabler...

Originally Posted by Beavis68

you are probably drawing to 7 outs, so you dont have the pot odds.

yeah I got that.. but of course its a 4-way multiway pot.. when the early guys call - they aint putting down. If they do call I get a pot size of $15 ish which is justified with 7 outs (only need $12 ish)

er I think...

Originally Posted by xxdemexx

----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot US$43.82 Main pot US$18.90 Side pot #1 US$19.01 | Side pot #2 US$3.76 | Rake US$2.15
Board [JavaScript Ts 8s 2s 8h]
Seat 1: Onetogs showed [7s 5s] and lost
Seat 2: Hibbie001 showed [4s Ks] and won (US$19.01) with A Flush, King high
Seat 3: cad425 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Kerds (small blind) showed [Qs 9d] and won (US$3.76) with A Flush, Queen high
Seat 5: DrDeme (big blind) showed [7d As] and won (US$18.90) with A Flush, Ace high****HAND ENDS****

As Alex pointed out.. the pot ain't worth it. I went through the likely holdings after and in pot odds terms its slightly positive BUT.. look at the rake. I pay $1 in rake on this hand (split with other guy).. BUT - its a marginal call so it approx doubles up again... So in the long term I'm paying about $2 in rake to win a $1.25 pot...
It wasn't trips it was a made str8 driving - but I got most of the other cards in ten seconds...not too bad for a robot multitabler...

OK I'm definately missing somethig here. Your investment was $4.65 for a return of $18.90 - $1 in rake and you figure your paying $2 in rake to win $1.25?? If that's correct you might as well give up playing at those tables!

BTW, I wasn't knocking multi-table players per-se'. I meant I tried it and couldn't play a good game and it has been my experience that when playing against a multi-tablier, I can pretty much assume he's playing at level 1 (cards only with an occational fancy play) since they don't have much time to watch what's going on at any one particular table. My son multi-tables and sometimes does very well but over a couple of months my bankroll would be double his although he was playing 3 to 4 times the hands I was. This doesn't take into account his style vs mine or our various skill levels except I'm better positioned to use my skills than he is, what with his attention spread over 3 or 4 tables at a time.
For those that can do it well, my salute! For those that don't, my advantage!

"Now, if you're shortstacking looking to get lucky early, call and gamble with it. You have a great table. Rebuy for $25 and you'll get the $5 back with little effort."


That's what I said earlier and I stick to it. I'd make the call too, for this reason.

deffinate fold w/ a full stack.
Shortstack however..
PPl give zero credit to loose players when the show actuall agression b/c they think "ahh, hes loose, dosnt have anything".

dude bet pot, another dude min raise, and the third due c/r all in. this is what i call action. possibly up agaisnt a flush, flushdraw, strait, set, any hand possible. So you will need to hit your spade. I doubt its 9 outs. Id say 7 is a safe number.
Aces and 9s are dead. It becomes a math question;

side pot pot is about 10$ and its 4.65 for you to call. if the other ppl call, side pot will be like 14$. Some nice odds. about 3.5:1 if the other two call. question is what is the odds of hittig a 7 outer.