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06-14-2006, 04:47 PM
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So this means you cap flop, bet out turn, bet out river in hand 1?
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That's what I do would do most of the time
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06-14-2006, 04:49 PM
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Hand 2 I would raise the flop for a free card, you only risk losing 1 customer here. That was a great turn card for you, I may be tempted to bet it again if the players in the hand were decent, if they are your normal passive parade I would just take the free card and hope to hit one of your outs.
As played I would probably just call unless this guy has been making some laydowns earlier in the session.
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06-14-2006, 06:26 PM
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Hand 1 the guy had 910o (!) and won with two pair. I probably shouldn't even have posted it because to me it is more of a bad beat against an idiot, but the other good player at the table said he would have slowed down on the flop and checked the river fearing a set or two pair. My (silent of course)attitiude at the time was "learn how to play poker" but then after I went home started to wonder. I was wondering if maybe I was chip spewing, but I guess most would play it the same.
Hand 2 I raised and won when I hit my flush on the river and bet and he called. He had AQ.
I didn't raise the flop because I was salivating at having CO in the hand because he called to the river almost every time with even bottom pair, and I had raised the previous hand with a flush draw three handed, checked the turn, and didn't improve on the river and showed a busted flush at the free showdown. I thought I would switch it up a little since it was just the previous hand, I didn't want someone reraising putting me on a draw and costing me more. So I stand by that decision.
I think raising the turn was a mistake because I had ZERO fold equity in the hand against the SB. He wasn't betting out into a field of limpers with nothing, and probably not just on a draw - probably a made hand - so my raise wasn't mathmatically correct.
The reason I posted is that the same guy that criticized hand 1 kept gushing about what a great raise it was, and after the hand was over I thought it was kinda pointless since I had no fold equity and no showdown value unimproved.
Thanks for the thoughts, ya all.
I guess one of my conclusions should be the the guy next to me isn't as good as I thought he was!!!
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06-14-2006, 07:46 PM
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Hand 1 - the guy coldcalls with 9-To  That's more than a bit loose!
Hand 2 - AQ - so I was right, he was betting second pair! I wouldn't be so quick to condem the raise on the turn. You had flush and str8 draws so a raise here could very well be a value bet and although you may think you don't have fold equity, it does set up for firing a second shot on a missed river or at least a check-thru for a free showdown whichever you choose.
So, what was the coach charging for all that free advice? 
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06-15-2006, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s
Hand 1 - the guy coldcalls with 9-To  That's more than a bit loose!
Hand 2 - AQ - so I was right, he was betting second pair! I wouldn't be so quick to condem the raise on the turn. You had flush and str8 draws so a raise here could very well be a value bet and although you may think you don't have fold equity, it does set up for firing a second shot on a missed river or at least a check- thru for a free showdown whichever you choose.
So, what was the coach charging for all that free advice? 
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Well, tbe problem is that it is not really a free showdown if I am showing down 6 high. I had to improve to have any showdown hand, and with no fold equity there is no mathmatical reason to raise the turn, at least that is how I see it. Not 100% sure of course, which is why I posted the hand.
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First of all you foul mouthed imbecile. I think the value of forums is immeasurible. Forums are the one place you can learn the game. Forums are a learning medium. The problem I find in forums are, your post. We are talking to hot headed, juveniles, who have no clue what they are doing. You have to weed through posts such as yours to get valuable information.
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