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    Stu Ungar OrionPro's Avatar
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    Default TT after a raise, early in a 45-men-tourney

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG+1 (t1450)
    MP1 (t2980)
    Hero (t1800)
    CO (t1430)
    Button (t1440)
    SB (t1270)
    BB (t1470)
    UTG (t1660)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T, T.
    UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t120,

    Now what?

    (Note: MP1 seems loose; UTG unknown)
    Last edited by OrionPro; 06-13-2006 at 06:36 AM.

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    Personally, I would probably call and play this for set value or the possible overpair. However, if I have the overpair and MP1 comes out with a huge bet on the flop, I would have to reassess things. In other words, if the flop is 8-4-2 and MP1 leads with a pot sized bet, I would worry about a larger PP. It would be a difficult decision. If he did bet out on the flop, I would not simply call with the overpair...raise, push allin, or fold. But, I would definately not fold this hand before the flop.

    You could also consider reraising this hand preflop to get some sense as to the strength of your opponent's hand. The only problem is that a decent reraise (3X his raise) is gonna cost you a fair amount of your stack...but may be worth it.
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    you are getting a decent price, you could also toss in a CB if the board comes junk on the flop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coryan
    You could also consider reraising this hand preflop to get some sense as to the strength of your opponent's hand. The only problem is that a decent reraise (3X his raise) is gonna cost you a fair amount of your stack...but may be worth it.
    That's what I did, and it turned out to be a poor choice, for exactly that reason!

    Thanks for the input

    Btw, UTG had AQ, MP1 had KJs, both pushed PF. I pushed as well, which was, in retrospect, probably correct from the pot odds I was getting (PokerStove says 31% win)... But since I didn't know what they had, it was probably a poor decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coryan

    You could also consider reraising this hand preflop to get some sense as to the strength of your opponent's hand. The only problem is that a decent reraise (3X his raise) is gonna cost you a fair amount of your stack...but may be worth it.
    i wouldnt do this

    calling is a fine play, play it for set value+the chance of taking it on a garbage flop

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFish
    That's what I did, and it turned out to be a poor choice, for exactly that reason!

    Thanks for the input

    Btw, UTG had AQ, MP1 had KJs, both pushed PF. I pushed as well, which was, in retrospect, probably correct from the pot odds I was getting (PokerStove says 31% win)... But since I didn't know what they had, it was probably a poor decision.

    I prefer calling the limp, raise but I won't argue the re-raise. Once they both went all-in - especially the UTG who initially limped - you should have smelled a rat. So early into the tourney you have plenty of time to re-gain your pf loses. UTG looks to be a prime donkey and MP1 a total idiot but you ony had 5th best starting hand and were not shortstacked. No need to take that risk yet.
    I also checked Pokerstove and got 31.6% like you did so with 2 all-ins vs your call you'd be just short of getting 2:1 with their stacks. Too close to call imo. Although it was close to a 3-sided coin flip, I'm from the school that teached survival to get to the final table - that's where the money is!
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    wow, that is wild, AQ is the favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    wow, that is wild, AQ is the favorite.
    Ya - how about that? I had to run it twice to make sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    wow, that is wild, AQ is the favorite.
    Duh.

    All 4 overs beat you. It's not so much AQ getting better as it's TT being worse with 2 other people in the pot. That's like putting 44 in a 6 handed pot against:

    AK
    QJ
    T9
    87
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    Duh.

    All 4 overs beat you. It's not so much AQ getting better as it's TT being worse with 2 other people in the pot.
    That's not true. Do the math with PokerStove. Sure it gets slightly worse but if you get like 3:1 or better, it's a good call.

    With AKo and AQo, TT is even a big favorite.
    Last edited by OrionPro; 06-13-2006 at 01:44 PM.

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