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06-13-2006, 02:49 PM
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Thats because they share a card, so theres only 3 overs. Here's a fun one from Phil gordans book-
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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 36.4839 % 36.38% 00.11% { KQs }
Hand 2: 32.2263 % 32.12% 00.11% { AJo }
Hand 3: 31.2899 % 31.18% 00.11% { TT }
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
Hero raises to t500
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06-13-2006, 02:59 PM
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what alex is saying is that TT is hurt more by haveing KJ in the pot than AQ is.
they also have most of your straight outs.
a boards of AQKJT sure would be funny.
Now, why couldnt the guys share a card?
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06-13-2006, 03:58 PM
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That's because 2 Aces are dead and and a Jack means nothing in your example. PokerStove doesn't need to tell me that.
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06-13-2006, 04:16 PM
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That's not true. Do the math with PokerStove. Sure it gets slightly worse but if you get like 3:1 or better, it's a good call.
With AKo and AQo, TT is even a big favorite.
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Getting 3:1 for a hand that has only 31.6% chance to win is marginal at best imo and not a good call in a tourney - especially so early and when not short stacked. IMO! 
TT vs AKo and AQo is a bigger favourite because 2 aces are already in play leaving only 2 aces out to improve those hands over the TT (besides the 3 Ks and 3 Qs).
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06-13-2006, 04:20 PM
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Getting 3:1 for a hand that has only 31.6% chance to win is marginal at best imo and not a good call in a tourney - especially so early and when not short stacked. IMO!
TT vs AKo and AQo is a bigger favourite because 2 aces are already in play leaving only 2 aces out to improve those hands over the TT (besides the 3 Ks and 3 Qs). |
getting 3:1 on a 2:1 shot is huge.
the problem is he could be much worse off, and not too much better off.
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06-13-2006, 04:58 PM
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I can see calling the first raise and playing for set or overcard value.
I can't see calling 2 EP all-ins with TT this early. Sure, some % of the time they turn over KJ and AQ, but a good % of the time you'll find yourself up against at least 1 big pair.
I think QQ is my cutoff here getting 2:1. I'd be interested how JJ does against a hand range of 99+,AT+,KJ+ for 1 caller and 99+,AQ+ for the 2nd player.
I ran KK+ this morning against this hand range, I think it's somewhere in the 65% range. QQ was around 53%.
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06-13-2006, 05:15 PM
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That's because 2 Aces are dead and and a Jack means nothing in your example. PokerStove doesn't need to tell me that.
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there are not two aces dead in that example and a J means you are beating the TT, so it has meaning.
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06-13-2006, 06:38 PM
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getting 3:1 on a 2:1 shot is huge.
the problem is he could be much worse off, and not too much better off.
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The problem was my reading skills. Hero was 31.6% to win vs the other two hands and was getting slightly less than 2:1 odds to call. I somehow read
Originally Posted by DaFish
That's not true. Do the math with PokerStove. Sure it gets slightly worse but if you get like 3:1 or better, it's a good call.
and associated it to the actual case in hand - knowing our hereo was getting almost even odds NOT 3:1 or better. My bad! 
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06-13-2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFish
That's not true. Do the math with PokerStove. Sure it gets slightly worse but if you get like 3:1 or better, it's a good call.
With AKo and AQo, TT is even a big favorite.
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That's because 2 Aces are dead and a Jack means nothing in your example. PokerStove doesn't need to tell me that.
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there are not two aces dead in that example and a J means you are beating the TT, so it has meaning.
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Read before you type, Beavis. I'm not a fuckin' moron.
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06-14-2006, 03:24 AM
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Duh. 
All 4 overs beat you. It's not so much AQ getting better as it's TT being worse with 2 other people in the pot. That's like putting 44 in a 6 handed pot against:
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That's bad, but not terrible. 44 will need trips, and get them 20% of the time, afair, and there's 5 opponents...
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