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Old 06-13-2006, 12:58 AM
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Default Flopped a bitch straight. Turn pairs the board.

My first hand at the table. I decided to play 3 full ring limit games while playing a tourney. Mechanical poker, right? What do you think? Fill in the blank.

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Preflop: ChiTownAlex is BB with 6, 9.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, ChiTownAlex checks.

Flop: (3.46 SB) T, 8, 7 (3 players)
ChiTownAlex bets, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3.23 BB) 7 (3 players)
ChiTownAlex bets, MP1 raises, CO 3-bets, ChiTownAlex ________________
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Old 06-13-2006, 02:01 AM
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wow.. never seen this one before.. hard to say really..

i probably cap turn..
from the way co played it, he probably doesnt have a set.. most likely he just has the 7 and thinks his trips are good on the turn..

i think at 6 max people would raise with 77+.. CO especially would raise 77+.. unless u have a read on him that says he doesnt..

2pair would have raised you on the flop.. and im pretty sure MP1 would have raised you on the flop with a set..

does MP1 usually limp with 88 and under?

I probably lead out on the river.. and call a raise.

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Old 06-13-2006, 02:08 AM
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i think at 6 max people would raise with 77+..
This is full ring.

Well, 9 handed. We were only one short.
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Old 06-13-2006, 02:09 AM
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I fear there's a J9 in here somewhere, I'm not worried about a boat as it just seems too unlikely, it's that damn J9 that worries me. I'd call it tho as it seems more likely they have two pair or trips.

What did you do? and more importantly what did they have?
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This is full ring.

Well, 9 handed. We were only one short.
woops didnt notice that.. i've seen so many of ur hand histories, and most of them have been at 6max so i just assumed it was 6max..

anyways, that changes everything....

turn i call.
river i check-call.

if i check river, and it goes bet-raise. i may fold.

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Flop: (3.46 SB) T, 8, 7 (3 players)
ChiTownAlex bets, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3.23 BB) 7 (3 players)
ChiTownAlex bets, MP1 raises, CO 3-bets, ChiTownAlex ________________

Hmmmm - that is interesting! Not sure either but here are some thoughts I was running through.

1. Both MP1 and CO have a 7 and both are betting trips.
2. MP1 is semi-bluffing a flush draw and is using the 2nd 7 as a scare card but CO actually has a 7 and is raising his trips.
3. One or the other slowplayed a better str8 (J-9) on the flop while the other hit trips.
4. One or the other flopped two pair and slowplayed to the turn where they made a full house.

1&2 your still ahead but 3&4 your behind and drawing dead. Your also in a sandwitch between a raiser and a re-raiser and coldcalling a 2x raise with a cap all too likely. Tuf decision but without a read of any sort and holding the idiot end of a str8, I think it's time to chicken out! Slowplaying the flop is pretty common in Limit due it's only being 1/2 bets and wanting to keep as many in the pot until the turn where the trap can be sprung with full sized bets.
On the other hand, if your playing in donkeyville there's no limit to what they might be playing or doing!
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What did you do? and less importantly what did they have?
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my analysis was someone had TPWK or MPTK and the other had the 7 with a decent kicker. no one has 2 pair or better as you def has the best hand on the flop. turn is raised because someone caught the trips the other guy might be protecting the FD, but you still should have the best of it. cap turn, check river and if it goes bet, raise just call, if not you get it checked to showdown
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I have to admit that I missed the potential higher straight out there, but my initial reaction reading the hand history is that you are still good.

Maybe we are looking at a bluff followed by the trips raising. I would raise here and see what the initial bettor does. If he calls (2 bets) or raises then he is probably the guy with trips and if the raiser comes along (especially for 2 more bets if raised by orignal bettor) I am wondering what the hell is going on. It's possible that they both have a 7, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the bettor shows trips and the raiser show the higher straight. I push it now, and let remaining action guide me.

Tough spot. Isn't it funny that when we hit a monster we pray for action on it, then when we get it we go WTF!!!!
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I wouldn't be shocked to see the bettor shows trips and the raiser show the higher straight.
I push it now, and let remaining action guide me.

Tough spot. Isn't it funny that when we hit a monster we pray for action on it, then when we get it we go WTF!!!!
Speaking of WTF!!!

The higher straight would be J-9 or otherwise known as the NUTS (except for a possible full house since the board is paired)! So you would push it? This is Limit so you can't push it but what in the world would possess you to 'cap' if you suspected a higher stright? Are you getting a good nights sleep?
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