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06-12-2006, 10:15 AM
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"Callers" example
Here's an example of a hand that an relate at the "playing against callers" thread I posted. What would you do in an example like this? Should I be check folding this flop? Betting it? Examples like this are so common lately I have no idea how to play them.
One player I have hardly any hands on, other has 70 hands 78.57/0/ no real aggression, goes to the SD 54% of the time. Standard calling station.
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.35/$0.7
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: ( 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with
UTG (poster) checks, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop:  ( 6.57SB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.
Turn:  ( 4.79BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.
River:  ( 7.79BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.
Results:
Final pot: 10.79BB
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06-12-2006, 10:22 AM
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i dont think you should be scared your beat on the flop when you get called and not raised, and on the turn with a couple more draws out there you are still just getting called but not raised. river possible made someones draw or a higher pair than you so i may just check river with them
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06-12-2006, 10:56 AM
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Hmmm.... With no other info on the one guy, and the other guy could be playing 48o for all we know, you have to bet this the whole way. The big scary overcard came late, so getting to a showdown will tell you how far they take crappy hands, and exactly what types of crappy hands. This will save you more bets in the near future than the one you lose here.
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06-12-2006, 11:29 AM
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Even though people don't like to see results yet, I'm going to post results in white just because....well I feel like it  .
UTG had a J7o
BB had a Q3o
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06-12-2006, 12:06 PM
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Before I looked at the results I looked at the board and figured these possible holdings to tag along
1. 2 spades for a flush draw
2. 3-5 for a small str8 draw
3. bottom and 2nd pair - possible Top pair with poor kicker
Betting the flop and Turn was pretty standard since no-one was challenging but once another overcard hit the river I think I'd just check it thru thus denying any ck-r to a late comer.
After checking the results, UTG is a prime donkey who has no idea of how to protect his hand and will forever be an ATM to better players. The BB is UTG's Jackass brother - chasing bottom pair after two bets!!
Except for maybe betting the river, you played it as well as you could and over time will come out ahead. You may not have any hair left and your stomach will develope ulcers and you will likely have to replace several smashed up keyboards but you will come ahead!!!:rockpoker
Or you can do what I did, give up Limit poker online - only live now when I go into the city casinos - and play SnG tourneys. Still plenty of donkeys and jackasses there but at least you can protect your hand playing NL and the buy-in is fixed so I know what I'm risking each time.
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06-12-2006, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Aces-o-8s
Betting the flop and Turn was pretty standard since no-one was challenging but once another overcard hit the river I think I'd just check it thru thus denying any ck-r to a late comer...
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I couldn't agree more. This is a classic check on the river. I don't think you're leaving money on the table.
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06-12-2006, 01:00 PM
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This is a classic check on the river. I don't think you're leaving money on the table.
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textbook example of the fundamental concept of "the only call you will get is from someone who has you beat"
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06-12-2006, 01:01 PM
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Pre-flop, flop and turn are very standard.
I think betting again on the river is really stretching against 2 opponents, against 1 sure but 2 noway. You have position take it to a showdown, now I depending on just how bad these players are they may have a hand like AT and 77 or 88, but both of them? Seems unlikely.
Definately just check the river, can't believe that the BB didn't check raise you, definately add him to your buddy list.
UTG, realise that he is beyond passive aswell (at least in this hand),I think you'd need more hands to classify him as a total donk though. I play hands like that HU against aggressive players all the time and have several players with notes like (they can't stop betting if I check calling). Against 2 players though, it is a bad play.
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06-12-2006, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8tor009
textbook example of the fundamental concept of "the only call you will get is from someone who has you beat"
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Not with these guys. They would call with Ace high. If that Q had been a 2, this is an easy bet, but the second over scares me.
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06-12-2006, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Marm
Not with these guys. They would call with Ace high. If that Q had been a 2, this is an easy bet, but the second over scares me.
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I think that the problem is that there are 2 people in the pot still, they aren't both gonna call with something that you beat. Against 1 player I would make this value bet alot, there are enough hands that you beat against the 1 player.
But you still did gain some info in this hand, all be it expensive I sure hope that you made notes about how both of them played the hands.
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