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06-12-2006, 06:46 AM
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Re-raise or fold?
This was my first hand in a live, $1/$2 NL game at the Borgata in AC this weekend. Because it was my first hand, I did not have a read on anyone at the table. I bought in for $300, the maximum.
I posted from the BB, and I was dealt  . 6 players saw the flop, including the UTG player, for the minimum $2 bet.
The flop was  . I checked, the UTG bet $5, a MP called, and I called. Everyone else folded.
The turn was the  , pairing my kicker (board =  ). I checked, the UTG bet out $15, the MP folded, and then I check-raised to $45 with my two-pair.
The UTG player thought for a while, then re-raised me for an additional $100 on top of my bet. His stack covered my remaining chips.
I figured my choices were now to re-raise all-in or fold. What would you have done without the benefit of any experience against the UTG player?
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06-12-2006, 07:27 AM
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With no reads it's a hard call. However there is no made flush or straight on the board so the only thing that you should fear is trips or a bigger 2 pair.
I think QT is a possible hand here although maybe not UTG. I would be wary of 44 but I think he'd raise pre-flop with TT or QQ. I actually suspect he has AQ. What did you do?
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Flop - :jc :3s :6d I raise 2/3 pot, Villian calls.
Turn :kd - I raise to put villian all in, he calls
he flips over :4d :4s :eek:
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06-12-2006, 07:39 AM
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Im fearing TT,44,55 and QT your beating most other things he could hold.
Without reads or anything this is a hard call. I would say im folding here most of the time.
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06-12-2006, 09:59 AM
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to be honest im not sure i would call for $5 on the flop my 1st hand.
on the turn its pretty obvious he has QT at least
or a set
fold
but dont play the hand in the first place
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06-12-2006, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tightagressive
on the turn its pretty obvious he has QT at least
or a set
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I'm not 100% sure of that. He could have Q with a big kicker. He was confident of his hand on the flop and made a small bet to get action. Now there is a straight draw so he bets big to take the pot there.
Granted I don't play much NL ring, but I think something like KQ is possible. I'm not sure how willing I'd be to bet my entire stack on it my first hand, though (but then again, maybe that's what he's counting on  )
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but dont play the hand in the first place
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He was in the BB.
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06-12-2006, 10:16 AM
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I wouldn't raise TT UTG in a 10 handed game.
Give some % chance that he has limped to "trap" with AA.
With absolutely no read he could have anything, but I think I fold as if he isn't beating Q5 here, then theres a good chance you'll take his money soon enough anyway.
Maybe slightly negative but how about flat calling here on turn? There are only 2 players remaining, we have no reason to suspect he's betting a draw and you can then check call river (unless the Ace of clubs falls and he goes all in)
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06-12-2006, 10:34 AM
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I'm not 100% sure of that. He could have Q with a big kicker. He was confident of his hand on the flop and made a small bet to get action. Now there is a straight draw so he bets big to take the pot there.
Granted I don't play much NL ring, but I think something like KQ is possible. I'm not sure how willing I'd be to bet my entire stack on it my first hand, though (but then again, maybe that's what he's counting on  )
He was in the BB.
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KQ is possibley but its probably the only hand in his range that fits the villians like that we can beat
we have no read on villian we have to fold
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06-12-2006, 10:52 AM
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With absolutely no read he could have anything, but I think I fold as if he isn't beating Q5 here, then theres a good chance you'll take his money soon enough anyway.
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Good point. If he's over playing a TPTK-type hand it will become apparent pretty quickly and you can take his money later. If he does have a set or a higher two pair its a good fold.
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06-12-2006, 10:58 AM
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It sounds like there is somewhat of a consensus building in support of folding, which is what I did.
On the flop, I did not think that he was too impressed with his hand. A $5 bet into a $12 pot with 5 players left to act did not suggest any great strength to me. I put him on anything from a weak suited Q, to AT, or to some other middle pair or even a draw. Although I had checked with the intention of folding in response to any significant action, I decided to call for $5 dollars with top pair/weak kicker and the pot laying me over 4:1. Even so, I had no plans to invest much more money in the pot unless I improved.
And then I did, making two-pair on the turn. My check-raise was intended to take down the pot if he was on flush or straight draw, requiring him to bet an additional $30 to win about $45.
His re-raise certainly made me wonder whether I had stumbled into a monster. I felt that the most likely hands were QT, 44, or 55. Not knowing how this guy played and not having any re-draws available if I was wrong, I folded. He did not show his hand, but said something about "needing to protect against the draws."
As I got into the game, the guy turned out to be just a very aggressive player. He lost almost $500 on one hand on a bluff. As he was about to leave the game after losing all his chips, I asked him about my first hand. He told me that he had QJ.
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06-12-2006, 11:00 AM
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MAH. have some fun. Call. I think you're ok. KQ, JQ, are very good possibilities. Yeah a sets a possibility too, but you have outs to that. I call.
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