I'm assuming that this the lowest NL game that they spread at Borgata. Donkey town.

1.) We know he doesn't have TT or QQ because he limped in PF. Even the biggest donks will raise with Queens.

2.) The fact that he's UTG means nothing.

3.) Hands he could have: AQ, KQ, QJ, QT, 55, Q9 When you plug in the AX flush draws, I think you gotta re-raise all in. He's biting the bait. Excluding the AX flush draws, you're a 4:1 favorite and these donks will call your all in with AQ, KQ, QT, 55, and maybe QJ. You're 3:1 on that level.

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once i hit 2 pair i dont think i would have check raised.

i would have probably potted it

Great point. I missed the clubs on the flop. I'm assuming that you can only bet in $5 increments, so I'd open for $35 or $40. This could force him to call and you can come out for $60-$75 on the river and get your value.

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And this is why Marm doesn't play no limit (beavis too - excpet with a short stack)
:good:

But marm would have been a few hundy richer

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In retrospect (i.e., knowing how he actually played the hand in response to my check-raise), I don't think this would have made much of a difference in the UTG's response. From his perspective, the 5 on turn was a harmless card. If he did not believe that my check-raise indicated real strength, then I don't think that he would have reacted any differently to a pot-size lead from me on the turn. I could be wrong, but my sense is that would have equally regarded that as a move from me.

I thought that this was a good spot for a check-raise because he had bet the flop. Remember, my read before his big big re-raise was that he had a hand, but a marginal one. Therefore, I was thinking at the time about how to extract more money from him. I felt that he would fold if I led out with a big bet. On the other hand, if I checked, I felt pretty confident that he would bet and that I could then take down the pot with a big check-raise, getting his extra money in the pot before he knew that he had been trapped.

Obviously, I didn't expect him to come over the top of me with a raise of more than the size of the pot. That surprised me a lot, and without any information to go on about his playing style, I incorrectly concluded that he must have been slowplaying a big hand rather than semi-bluffing a hand like top pair with a draw.

If this hand had come up an hour later, I would have called in a heartbeat. In any event, the night ended up well for me. Three hours later, I cashed out up $500 from the table.

I am with you in that I probably would have called, but I am not sure it is right.

Depends on how often those guys will get 300bbs in with just top/over pair.

And even if you are ahead, you will still get drawn out 17% of the time or so.

He came over the top for the same reason why you should've led out. There was a flush and straight draw on the board and you cold-called the flop. People in a $1/$2NL game will bet this flop on a straight draw, flush draw, and many would with a OESD/flush, belly/flush, and overcard/flush no matter how many people saw the flop.

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so?

it doesnt matter what would have happened in this particular hand. in the long run, pot betting the turn is the better play.

think of it this way. you were PROBABLY beat, however, if your opponent was dumb enough to make that kind of move with just a pair of queens or air, then dont worry. hes not going anywhere, you can reload the $50 you pissed away in this hand and he will pay you in later hands.

it doesnt matter what actually happened. you made a good fold, because against a completely unknown player you are not ahead of his range.

now that you know hes a donk, you will know in this spot you can call, and you arent making a guess.

I can't see how you're not all in here . . .

A lot of hands that you beat explain his actions . . . what about a hand like T4s, T5s, QJ, KQ, AQ, Q9s, 45s . . .

TT/QQ are out (as is AQ, likely). QT and 44 are the only hands that are beating you and plausible given his actions.

AA/KK are also possibilities given his EP and actions (limping UTG to get raised, liking the flop enough to want to milk some $ out of it, then when you get into a raising war with him his reaction is to get scared and make a big reraise . . . )

Given the size of the pot, I think its definitely worth it.

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Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
Beavis68: You play poker.
Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.