Total Get= $25 in the pot + $20 bet from Villian= $45
Total Lay= $20
You're Laying $20 to Get $45 giving you 45:20 or 2.25:1 on a pot you'll win 3 out of 4 times.


Total Get= $25+$47= $72
Total Lay= $47
You're Laying $47 to Get $72 giving you 72:47 or about 1.5:1 on the pot that you'll win 3 out of 4 times.

To justify a raise of $47, there'd have to be a (Pot In the Middle of the Table+ $47) of at least $105.75.

If you wanna be technical, the Total Get includes your Lay, because we're calculating the Expected Value from each invested dollar.

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If you include your bet in the "lay" (btw I dont sports bet at all so this doesnt make tons of sense to me) I think we end up on the same page.

BTW - I'm being so picky about this b/c your suggesting thats it incorrect to raise on the river when we're a 3:1 favorite to be ahead. Which seems very counter-intuitive and if true will force me to change the way I think about this game...

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BB is t100
Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
Hero raises to t500

of course it isnt true.

the pot odds don't matter when you raise on the river. you expection is all that matters.

if your opponet will always call you, and you will win more than half the time, the raise is the best choice. It doesn't matter how much is in the pot.

I have no idea what alex is trying to say, and why he is adding his own bet into the "get".

That isn't how you figure out EV.

thanks. I was gettin worried there.

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BB is t100
Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
Hero raises to t500

so.... what happened... i assume you pushed and he turned over A-x of diamonds after calling?

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I pushed, he called and turned over AT

Shitty, I think pushing is still the right move, I'm thinking he makes this bet with any 10. Also if the river doesnt boat him he's still calling a large bet, tought luck.

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BB is t100
Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
Hero raises to t500

I'm not adding bet into the Get.

The expection is: A Call of Anything.

Pot= $25
Your Raise is to $47
Villian's Bet+All in Call= $47

Your Get= $72 (Pot+Villian's bet+all in call)

Am I speaking in tongues?

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Haven't you people ever gambled?

The orginal term "Get" comes from this:
I go a sportsbook.
I LAY $100 on the Bulls +7
The Bulls lose by 5.
I go back to the Sportsbook with my ticket and GET: $200

Get turned into Net.
Expected Profit (EP)= Get minus Lay

EP turned into EV which is (EP/Lay-1)

People, now use the terms Get as EP, which is how I described, henceforth, ergo, and hithertowhich:

Rasing has a lower EP. Raising has a lower EV.

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So if I had a 4 sided dice and I offered you two options -

a) You pay $20 and if the dice hits 1,2,3 you win $65 (net of $45)
Dice hits 4, you get nothing


b) you pay $47 and if the dice hits 1,2,3 you win $119 (net of $72)
Dice hits 4, you get nothing

Your saying you'd take option A?

note- before you get tricky, this is would be one time offer

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BB is t100
Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
Hero raises to t500