Yes, Thats QQ vs the range of what I thought may be playable.

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I don't think you can treat it as one of "those situations" for a couple of reasons.

1. Your stack isn't much healthier than the short stack at the table, so you can't put yourself in a wait-and-see mindset. You might be able to slide in to the money here, but I think you have to approach it with the mentality that you're going to have to play your way in there. This hand looks to be a good chance to do just that, and

2. There's no guarantee the short stack is headed all-in here, so this isn't a situation where you toss a good hand because someone else already has their neck on the chopping block and you stand to move up into the money. You need chips, there's 600 of them out there already plus the blinds -- that's a pretty good reason to go forward here.

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First, Sklansky was talking about MTTs, not sit-n-gos. In most MTTs, you will be at a full table or nearly full at bubble time. Also, you should have a playable stack as SHADE pointed out.

Reallly man, you shouldn't have even posted this as a question. This is closer to a bad (luck) beat in my book.

Here's how I play this in tournaments, I'm not saying it's right but its how I do it with a measure of success,

With an allin the most likely result is to pick up the pot preflop.

If the allin is called it either means you are beat AA KK or a slight favourite to AK or at best an underpair JJ 1010. There are two others in the pot so two possible callers making it twice(ish) as likely that someone has AA KK or AK.

I think an allin limits your likely outcomes to either taking the pot as it stands, being called with AA or KK, or facing coinflip with AK. A call from JJ 1010 or even AQ would be nice but unlikely.

For these reasons I call in this situation with QQ.

Then go allin if there are no overcards as AK should now fold and if he calls I'm favourite.

AA and KK have me beat, but if they bet first post flop it might give a clue.

If there's an A on the flop then I'll fold to a bet, or raise a bit if it's checked to me, if it's a K I'd think harder about my options.

The situation in the tournament isn't dire enough to rule out a post-flop fold so I may as well see the cards.

Of course none of that would have saved you here

Rex

This is down four handed in a SnG, not a full ring. Your assumptions on what will call you are completely flawed. Plus, there is nothing wrong with picking up the pot.

i think i would play this hand in this situation in the same way as Irexes,

normally i would push, and i agree that there is nothing wrong with picking up the pot. however in this case mxp states that both opponents are playing very tight and does not put them on a wide range of possible holdings.

usually i would push, in this case i would call and then weigh up my options on the flop.

The fact that it's on the bubble in a SnG is one of the reasons I think the likely calls for an allin are limited.

But as I said that's the way I do it, not what I'm suggesting is right for everyone

easy push no need for all of this lol

You and I agree too much, we probably shouldn't ever play together.