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Old 06-10-2006, 06:37 AM
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Seat 1: Ma_Dalton ($6.85 in chips)
Seat 2: KENNY rake ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Dizzy_Fuzz ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Livy_RFC ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 5: diver130 ($5.95 in chips)
Seat 6: RIV-GATOR ($3.61 in chips)
Seat 7: asianred63 ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 8: rockey10 ($15.55 in chips)
Seat 9: hummble ($18.68 in chips)
Seat 10: salmon99 ($9.90 in chips)
diver130: Post Small Blind ($0.05)
RIV-GATOR: Post Big Blind ($0.10)


Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.3, Hero raises to $0.55, 5 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: ($2.1, 3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $1.5, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: ($5.1, 2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($5.1, 2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $1, MP3 calls.

Results:
Final pot: $7.1
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Old 06-10-2006, 11:13 AM
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You played this well. I hate these re-raise PF. If you're gonna raise, raise. If you're scared of making real raises, don't raise. You accomplished your goal here to go one on one and your FTR play was pretty standard.

You got the edge with the re-raise PF and fired a bullet on the flop. That was good and you caught on the turn.
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Old 06-10-2006, 11:56 AM
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According to Sklanski's Gap principle isn't a re-raising hand and barely a calling hand except in very loose games - which at this level is probably true enough.

However, as Alex already said - if you're going to re-raise - them RE-RAISE!! Generally re-raising a raiser in NL is at about 2.5x-3x times the original raise so in this case 75-90 cents! Kind of makes you wonder if is still a re-raising hand, doesn't it?

Your re-r pre-flop has nicely got you 5 folds w/2 callers, in control of the table and with position - was all this your intent when you re-raised? If not what was your intent when you re-raised? This is a very important question so give it some thought!

Once the flop was checked to you your c-bet was very good - 70% of the pot and you get rewarded with another fold and are now HU vs the original raisers - hmmmmm he has enough to call .

Turn - NICE card Why did you check thru? You only have Jacks up and are giving your opps a free card to beat you with a Q or K on the river!! Mistake imo! If you thinking you're setting a trap for the river you're getting too Fancy and it can/will backfire on you. He called the flop - what hands would do that? JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK, AQ? You have to bet: 1st for value as you now have a real hand; 2nd for information; and 3rd to try and win it now before he outdraws you.

River - toss up between just calling and putting in a value bet. I say toss up b/c MP3 had enough to call the flop bet but checking thru on the turn after hitting top pair has left you without enough info to know if you're ahead or have been trapped. What kind of hands would call a bet on the river?
1. a pp less than Jacks and he doesn't put on to a Jack b/c of your pf re-r or
2. a pp higher than Jacks and he was letting you hang yourself - also too fancy!!

Following the ck-thru on the turn I suspect MP3 doesn't have a better hand as he would've/should've have lead out and not trust you to make another bet for a ck-r. So a value bet is probably called for here. Since he called I'll guess he has TT-88.
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Old 06-11-2006, 11:02 AM
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According to Sklanski's Gap principle isn't a re-raising hand and barely a calling hand except in very loose games - which at this level is probably true enough.

However, as Alex already said - if you're going to re-raise - them RE-RAISE!! Generally re-raising a raiser in NL is at about 2.5x-3x times the original raise so in this case 75-90 cents! Kind of makes you wonder if is still a re-raising hand, doesn't it?

Your re-r pre-flop has nicely got you 5 folds w/2 callers, in control of the table and with position - was all this your intent when you re-raised? If not what was your intent when you re-raised? This is a very important question so give it some thought!

Once the flop was checked to you your c-bet was very good - 70% of the pot and you get rewarded with another fold and are now HU vs the original raisers - hmmmmm he has enough to call .

Turn - NICE card Why did you check thru? You only have Jacks up and are giving your opps a free card to beat you with a Q or K on the river!! Mistake imo! If you thinking you're setting a trap for the river you're getting too Fancy and it can/will backfire on you. He called the flop - what hands would do that? JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK, AQ? You have to bet: 1st for value as you now have a real hand; 2nd for information; and 3rd to try and win it now before he outdraws you.

River - toss up between just calling and putting in a value bet. I say toss up b/c MP3 had enough to call the flop bet but checking thru on the turn after hitting top pair has left you without enough info to know if you're ahead or have been trapped. What kind of hands would call a bet on the river?
1. a pp less than Jacks and he doesn't put on to a Jack b/c of your pf re-r or
2. a pp higher than Jacks and he was letting you hang yourself - also too fancy!!

Following the ck-thru on the turn I suspect MP3 doesn't have a better hand as he would've/should've have lead out and not trust you to make another bet for a ck-r. So a value bet is probably called for here. Since he called I'll guess he has TT-88.
The reraise was to thin the field and give myself some better odds with AJ I pretty much know if he reraised me it meant QQ,KK,AA so im glad he flat called.

Yes indeed I went for a checkraise on the turn which failed, I thought he might put a half decent bet in but it wasnt to be. Although by giving him a free card on the turn would he not be more inclined to call the river?

He ended up showing AQ
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Old 06-11-2006, 11:04 AM
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depends on the point of the raise, if you just want to get it heads-up, that size raise if fine.

if you are trying to win it, bet more.
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Old 06-11-2006, 12:26 PM
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Yes indeed I went for a checkraise on the turn which failed, I thought he might put a half decent bet in but it wasnt to be. Although by giving him a free card on the turn would he not be more inclined to call the river?

He ended up showing AQ

Turn: ($5.1, 2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

You were in the CO - you couldn't make a ck-r!!

Giving MP3 a free card on the Turn was and still is a big mistake imo. You only had one pair (keep in mind that in hold'em most wins at the river are with 2 pairs or better!) and just as I guessed MP3 had an overcard - the Q - that could oudraw you on the river. Your fancy play on the Turn probably did give MP3 enough doubt to ck-call you on the river and that was another mistake but at least in your favour this time. You were lucky this hand but I would advise in simular situations in the future, get your bets in on the turn and try to win a smaller pot there rather than risk losing a larger pot on the river! You should only be giving free cards when you have the nuts or something close to it like trips to ragged board.
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Your biggest mistake was not raising the turn. I would definitely not go for any kind of checkraise or anything there. Your card just came, and you bet on the flop. IMO you should put in a decent raise on the turn here, maybe your $1 river raise would do.
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