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Old 06-09-2006, 03:01 PM
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Its been a while since I played. Finally, I have some time to sit back down. I actually missed losing hands like this

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CO ($8.25)
Button ($28.60)
Hero ($16.45)
BB ($29.35)
UTG ($24.20)
UTG+1 ($37.70)
MP1 ($8.35)
MP2 ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with :, :.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.5, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold.

Flop: ($1.25) :, :, : (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($2.25) : (2 players)
Hero bets $2.15, MP1 raises to $4.3, Hero calls $2.15.

River: ($10.85) : (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2.5, Hero calls $2.50.

Final Pot: $15.85

Results in white below:
Hero has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP1 has Qd Qs (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: MP1 wins $15.85.


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Old 06-09-2006, 03:13 PM
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I wish people would post their hands without the results cos now it looks like my comments are in hindsight.

It looks like the failure here is you failed to define your hand pre flop.

I raise here with J's .. then if you get a call it looks like villain has A something ... a re re raise and I fold.

I read the post and thought QQ or KK because you tried to define your hand on the turn and was raised. It has cost you extra to define your hand on the turn when it should have been defined on the flop.

You played JJ like you were playing for the set therefore you should have laid down when you missed the set and met resistance.
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Old 06-09-2006, 03:49 PM
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You played JJ like you were playing for the set therefore you should have laid down when you missed the set and met resistance.
Good point. I guess I was playing for the set, because I have much experience losing with JJ (when I play it strong). As you said, I did try to show strength, maybe too late.
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Good point. I guess I was playing for the set, because I have much experience losing with JJ (when I play it strong). As you said, I did try to show strength, maybe too late.

Reraise a bit preflop and see what they do. JJ is danger zone for me all the time. When facing a raise preflop I always think twice about Jacks.
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Old 06-09-2006, 08:42 PM
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Reraise a bit preflop and see what they do. JJ is danger zone for me all the time. When facing a raise preflop I always think twice about Jacks.
alot of the time i find it better to not re raise pf with jacks


on this flop, fire a bet on the flop. if you are raised or called, be prepared to slow down/fold

you hand isnt THAT strong at all
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Old 06-09-2006, 08:44 PM
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alot of the time i find it better to not re raise pf with jacks


on this flop, fire a bet on the flop. if you are raised or called, be prepared to slow down/fold

you hand isnt THAT strong at all

Either way. For me, reraising preflop is a way to see how serious they are about their hand. Post flop works about the same. I love reraise preflop when I am against a loose player, and see what they do.
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Old 06-09-2006, 09:14 PM
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seems weak to me, but the flop is a "way ahead/way behind" flop, and he is making himself pay to draw.
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Old 06-09-2006, 09:19 PM
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Either way. For me, reraising preflop is a way to see how serious they are about their hand. Post flop works about the same. I love reraise preflop when I am against a loose player, and see what they do.
it depends who you are against

if you are against a tight player you should be less inclined to re raise as you will really only get action from better hands. and you will probably get re raised from the better hands.
against the tight player you should call, that way you are going to be more likley to stack his qq+ with a J on the flop, and you can get action from other hands on the flop that would have folded to a pf raise
you will also be able to get away from the jacks if an overcard flops alot cheaper
against a loose player who will go crazy with a hand like AT or 77, obviously raise
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Old 06-09-2006, 09:27 PM
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you hand isnt THAT strong at all
Nothing on the board that is above a 10. Really, JJ isn't strong? I was betting against him hitting his set....didn't expect a higher pocket pair, just my luck...
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Old 06-09-2006, 09:31 PM
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man i friggin hate min raisers like this....
flop im probably RRing just to try and take it down pf.
if he calls, i bet ps on flop, and play it from there.

however, the way u played it.. i think the best move is to bet the flop, and fold to a raise and slowdown if its called (check/fold or check-call turn/river)

with villian min raising pf, its just as likely he has a hand like AT KT QT then QQ KK AA
with the 10 coming on the river, its definately a check-fold on the river.
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