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Old 06-08-2006, 06:05 PM
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) CP hand converter

BB (t50)
UTG (t3080)
UTG+1 (t1140)
Hero (t1430)
MP2 (t3010)
MP3 (t40)
CO (t1300)
Button (t2020)
SB (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero raises to t100, MP2 calls t100, MP3 calls t40 (All-In), CO calls t100, 2 folds, BB calls t30 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t80.

Flop: (t500) , , (6 players, 2 all-in)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t250, MP2 folds, CO folds, UTG+1 calls t250.

Turn: (t1000) (4 players, 2 all-in)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t500, UTG+1 raises to t790, Hero calls t290.

River: (t2580) (4 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2580
Main Pot: t250 (t250), between BB, UTG+1, Hero and MP3. > Pot won by Hero (t250).
Pot 2: t50 (t50), between BB, UTG+1 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (t50).
Pot 3: t2280 (t2280), between UTG+1 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (t2280).

Results in white below:
BB has Ah 5c (one pair, threes).
UTG+1 has 9h 7h (two pair, nines and threes).
Hero has Kc Tc (two pair, kings and threes).
MP3 has Ad 4d (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins t2580.
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:23 PM
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i muck that hand soooo fast pf
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:26 PM
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Dude, you can play these anyway you like . . .

Here's my recommendation:

You've got an M of 47!!!! Look what happened in this hand and how fishy the game is. If you wait for a nice hand, you'll double or triple up against these weaklings (typical SNG players at buyins $30 and under).

I don't care if you want to call with this trash hand . . . I certainly would. But unless you develop a monster, get rid of it on the flop.

I recommend you stop trying to play poker with the fish, and start using dynamite in the lake. Wait to hit a set, a limp/allin with TP AK/AQ, hit a straight, top 2, flush draw, or AA/KK PF.

Patience my son. You need not win every small pot. Just 1 or 2 big ones. They're out there, you just have to have some patience.
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:27 PM
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This early, there's so much pussy-footing that I'd limp and fold to a raise. I've never gonna fault someone's PF raise in MP of later in NL if its the first raise. Again, you got married and put too many chips at risk too early. You can only chip up this early. You can't win now, but you can lose now.

That said the A9's and Jacks are gonna play as Villian did. I still say that you're making a high-risk move with a small potential reward. PokerStars has a good structure that allows you to jab in the opening rounds. You don't have to Tyson. That's how Tyson fell off as he got old.
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BTW, this early in a SNG, you can sooner see dead people than get a read on any of these maniacs.

So don't try . . . . the good players will announce themselves in some way. Use your PT stats on everyone to get a good read on how they're playing, but I need 20 hands min before I'm ready to draw any conclusions I'm willing to act on.

In the meantime, just stick to the system . . .
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I'm just curious if this kind of move should never be done?

I wanted the little little stacks gone and I wanted people to follow...HOPING to flop a monster. I didn't do that but it looked like a great flop for a c-bet then I got my money card on the turn.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm pretty loose and really aggressive when I'm deep because I figure I can afford to do it. I've always been under the mantra of getting as many chips as early as possible then tightening up and cruising along.

This isn't something I'd do all the time but I felt it was reasonable here. I'd like more thoughts on it though.
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Question...does it change anything that this is a 180-man PS SnG?

EDIT: My JJ hand was too (but a different one)
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Question...does it change anything that this is a 180-man PS SnG?

EDIT: My JJ hand was too (but a different one)
Hell yeah, it does. Dude, small pots. You're investing large parts of your stack with 28.6% of the info. Too early. Too fast. I play fast, but in the early stage, I'm chipping up little by little. I don't know if you're a basketball fan, but play an MTT like Shaq plays a full season. Play possum. Pounce when you have, but just use your edge little by little because too many pounces increases the chance for: season over.
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Question...does it change anything that this is a 180-man PS SnG?

EDIT: My JJ hand was too (but a different one)
Uh, yeah, it does. Do you feel more comfortable trapping opponents or playing for small pots? YOu'll be doing it for a while, so try and figure out how you want to play (not that you won't need to change gears at times). Also, the average stack in a 10 player SNG is 3.33 times the starting stack for ITM. Thus, you don't need to take big chances to get ITM. In a bigger field, you need to get 10x your original starting stack. Makes a big difference.

I'm more comfortable trapping opponents this early, because it's just too frickin' easy. In the mid stages I start to play small pot super-aggressive poker.

And it's not your job to bust out the micro stacks, particularly those on the other side of the table when you're in EP. Thinking like that is a major leak in your game . . .
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So overall this hand was a major fuckup that paid off?
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