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Old 06-08-2006, 04:41 PM
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Just wondering where my big mistake was in this hand or did I just get unlucky? I'm getting over 2:1 on my money and figured my hand was good, didn't expect what I saw in the results.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) CP hand converter

MP3 (t855)
CO (t2200)
Button (t1220)
SB (t1430)
Hero (t1830)
UTG (t3615)
UTG+1 (t1380)
MP1 (t1095)
MP2 (t1335)

Preflop: Hero is BB with
6 folds, Button raises to t90, 1 fold, Hero raises to t270, Button calls t180.

Flop: (t555) (2 players)
Hero bets t350, Button raises to t950, Hero calls t600.

Turn: (t2455) (2 players)

River: (t2455) (2 players)

Final Pot: t2455

Results in white below:
Hero has Jc Js (two pair, jacks and eights).
Button has 9c 8c (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Button wins t2455.
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Old 06-08-2006, 05:12 PM
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I dont see how you can get away from that.

PFR is questionable, but you were far ahead.
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What would've been a better move PF? Cold-calling?
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Old 06-08-2006, 05:26 PM
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With no one left to act between you and the button, I'd prefer a cold-call.

You can open-fire a 150 bullet on the flop and fold to raise.

You're still 9 handed. The blinds are 15/30. You can't win the tourney here. You can only build your stack and it's done better slowly because you can damn sure lose a tourney here. The guy's lost a big hand recently. He could have anything no matter how good he is. I haven't seen the results, but QQ, A8s, 88, and 44 are as likely as AQ. I think with QQ, he re-raises all in PF. With tens , he'll re-raise you all in on the flop.

He wants you to re-raise all in, so you want to get out of there. Your self-inflicted trap started PF in the hand seeing 28.6% of your hand 9-handed in an SnG
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Thanks. You said you didn't look at the results, so I'll tell you, he had 89s. I see what you're saying though, we were only the 2nd level and after this hand, my M was already down to about 10.5. What hands DO I make a re-raise with here? Although, if he's calling with these cards and catching this kind of flop, I think I'm going broke with anything.
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He wants you to re-raise all in, so you want to get out of there. Your self-inflicted trap started PF in the hand seeing 28.6% of your hand 9-handed in an SnG

His opponenent made a bad play and got lucky.

the PFR is table dependant. when I was kicking ass on party i would have played it the same way.

I may hae even reraised all in. but party is a faster structure.
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I guess it depends and I say this in a calm tone, do you think he's full of shit? If so, you raise. What tells you you're wrong? A re-raise or a cold-call. You were right.

Good bet on the flop, but why does he fire a bullet at the guy who re-raised PF and led on the flop if his hand after you've both seen 71.4% of the hand is still shit?

I think you got married to 2 relatively marginal cards in a 7 card game. I say this because I understand. I get this. But it's stupid and I only see it after the fact or when someone else does it, but all of my chips? I hate going all in. That's me.
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EDIT: Nevermind. I follow.

To be honest, I thought I was ahead the whole way right until he flipped over his 8. His raise PF was strictly positional I thought and it turned out to be the case. He could have anything. I would've been VERY happy to just take it down there and his extra his chips. I did think his call meant pair but not QQ+. If he had a monster, and there's only the blinds left, absolutely no reason to raise here. Limp and hope you get raised or someone improves a little on the flop.

After I made this guess, and seeing that flop, I figured him for 77-TT and I'd be pulling in a nice pot. Turns out it wasn't meant to be.
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Damn it, I totally missed that Sean bet the flop first.

I think alex is right, a call would be better, or a push.

The pot is going to be too big compared to your opponents stack if he calls.

And are you going to fold to a reraise all in PF?

Call, or if you are going to raise make it between half his stack and all-in.

That will make post flop play a no brainer.

For another 600 though, i call the flop too the way you played it. I dont see any amount you can bet that wont get you allin.

And it turns out he is a typical SnG donk calling off 1/4 of his stack with 89s.
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I definitely get what you guys are saying because I just got to thinking, if I make this raise and overcards come, I'm completely fucked and down 270 because there's no way I'd call a re-raise on the flop to an A or K out there. But if I just call, I only lose an extra 60.
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