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growlers · #11 (**permalink**) 06-08-2006, 12:35 AM

Why limp first in preflop with nines after one folder in a eight handed game? I don't understand why this is not a raise or fold situation.

Raise preflop.

edit: You know, I would have bet the river too, but now in retrospect is betting the river good? How often does AK call here?
That is something I struggle with - the 'ol "only better hands call concept" - I wonder if this hand is an example?

Marm · #12 (**permalink**) 06-08-2006, 05:20 AM

This table was easily giving me odds to limp to the set, and nines are strong enough to have some added value, like this play. Only having 3 to the flop was rare for this table.

Trons · #13 (**permalink**) 06-08-2006, 06:39 AM

After looking at the hand, I would have to say that this isn't that odd of a play and I don't think it requires quite the specific set of circumstances that you seem to believe it does.

Depending on your table image and whether you believe that CO was aware enough of your previous plays to be able to put you on a hand, I could see this working anytime you have a good table image against somebody who knows this.

I could see CO playing this hand (giving his history) with hands like TT or JJ as well as AJ, AK. He put you on the Q or better and figured you had him beat with TP. I agree that if he had the AQ (or even KQ given the way you described his play) then he would have reraised you on the flop telling you that you were beaten and letting you fold for only 2 SBs.

Once you made the determination that he didn't have the Q you almost have to keep firing at the pot, although when I do this, I keep hoping that he's going to fold. The reason is because he may call down with his TT or JJ. IMHO, this type of play works best when the board comes like it did with a bunch of lower cards that you can almost be sure the other guy doesn't have.

As far as why limit players fold on the river for one more bet is because generally there isn't much bluffing going on so if you're hand doesn't hit by the river, you need to get out. I'll call a river bet with just over cards if I'm being offered 10:1 or better and it's HU on the chance that he's bluffing. Anything less then 10:1 and I'm folding. I'm usually folding before then so the situation doesn't happen that often.