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    Default Limit situation: Whats your hand range to raise?

    Basic limit full ring
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    1 limper in pot
    you are in LP

    What is the range of hands you are raising if limper is:

    1) Rock
    2) Slightly loose
    3) Loose

    I struggle here and fear i may be limping too often.

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    If the limper is a rock, I need a really strong hand to raise JJ+ AK, AQs

    Normal player, I need ATs+, AJ+, Any Pair, and occasionally 9Ts/TJs/QJs type hands.

    Loose player, similar to above but if he is a calldown artist I'll eliminate the lesser hands and stick to big Aces, Big suited, and medium pairs and up

    There are very few hands I would limp from the button with when there is only 1 limper in front of me.

    I can take control of the hand and eliminate the blinds with a raise and I'm not getting the right odds with suited connectors and such
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    Against players in your second and thirs categoried, I'm raising with anything playable in my mind which is as low as 47s just to be a dick.

    The rocks are the ones that I distinguish very carefully. I'm assuming that you're saying "rock" as someone who doesn't play a lot of hands. That's the most generic definition. There are rocks that are observant and those that aren't. Of those, there are sub-categories with those two:

    A.) Aggressive FTR guys
    B.) ABC guys
    C.) Player players

    Against (A):
    I'll raise with a lot of hands because an extremely tight guy who pumps hard when he hits has limped. I'll try to get the advantage on my side early with AA-77, AK, AQ, KQ, AJ, and LSC's

    (B)
    ABC's are easy. I know I'll win the pot with any face card on the flop, the higher the face, the better. I might need to fire a second bullet on the turn, but he's gonna get nothing a good 60-70% of the time and any bullet from him and I'm done.

    (C)
    These guys are the one's that scare the shit out of me. They know what I'm gonna do before I do it, so I need to pick my spots and sit back. I'm supposed to be their huckleberrry, so I need to act accordingly. I need AA-JJ or AK just to play and I play these guys raise/fold on the turn/river.
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    A) rock you can raise with almost any hand if you think you can outplay him with a decent flop, but if you want to tighten your standards, ak aq aa kk qq kq...
    B) aj aq ak aa kk qq jj 1010 99 88 kq kj qj(suited)
    C) i may throw in a10suited
    i think the question here should be what do you raise with when your one of the button and the player still to act is a rock, slightly loose, loose. Late position you can play any hand to your hearts desire in a heads up pot and if you think you got a good read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dopemope223
    A) rock you can raise with almost any hand if you think you can outplay him with a decent flop, but if you want to tighten your standards, ak aq aa kk qq kq...
    B) aj aq ak aa kk qq jj 1010 99 88 kq kj qj(suited)
    C) i may throw in a10suited
    i think the question here should be what do you raise with when your one of the button and the player still to act is a rock, slightly loose, loose. Late position you can play any hand to your hearts desire in a heads up pot and if you think you got a good read.
    That actually is the q..I said LP...not necessarily the button.

    I think the q needs to be defined further....

    what if sole limper is from ep?
    what if he's from mp?

    To me this is an important aspect we are faced with frequently, but seldom discuss.

    Most hand range discussions talk about what to open raise, and what to do if facing a raiser, but never this.

    (OK, the truth is I don't care, I am just desperate to win a mobber award).........just kidding..........well, maybe not.

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    Not goign to define anything specific, but vs the Loose and Rocks, my range opens up. Vs the rocks because the fold equity is there, they may ptich it if the blinds go away. Vs the Loose player, I probably have equity on the guy and want to make him pay. Vs the rock I'm aiming to win it now, vs the loose, I'm looking to win a big pot on later streets.

    Against the sLoose players, I tighten up some, they are unpredictable enough that I'm probably going to need a flop to beat them. It alsi depends on the rest of their styles....
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    I'll be honest with you, with only one limper in the pot I raise or fold almost every time. It is extremely rare that I would limp, so rare it is hard for me to think of a specific hand or opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by growlers
    I'll be honest with you, with only one limper in the pot I raise or fold almost every time. It is extremely rare that I would limp, so rare it is hard for me to think of a specific hand or opponent.
    Very Very loose, very very passives, when you are holding a marginal hand like JTs.

    You might as well bring along the blinds for added value cause raising is going to do nothing but make the UTG's Nemonic plays more correct later by sweetening the pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marm
    Very Very loose, very very passives, when you are holding a marginal hand like JTs.

    You might as well bring along the blinds for added value cause raising is going to do nothing but make the UTG's Nemonic plays more correct later by sweetening the pot.
    LOL - kinda funny - I was actually typing something about j10s and 910s but then erased it because I didn't have the time to expand on it. Those are probably the only hands, you are right, though - very passive players only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by growlers
    I'll be honest with you, with only one limper in the pot I raise or fold almost every time. It is extremely rare that I would limp, so rare it is hard for me to think of a specific hand or opponent.
    Growlers, With the mid/high suited connectors identified as potential limp hands for you, where is the cuttof between raise and fold. I think I have been limping far too often under the assumption that the blinds will come for a ride and i will get a cheap look. I am not talking about rags, but playable hands like suited connectors and offsuit broadways. I am obviously raising the premium hands, but would have to think that some marginal raising hands should be pushed here.

    A (K-10) I think is obvious, but do we go lower? What about KQ? I tend to raise up any PP depending on villain.

    Im just trying to refine this piece of my game a little bit. I run on the low end of aggressive PF (about 7%) and wonder if this is where I am losing some raise opps.

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