Home
News
Articles
Site Reviews
Book Reviews
Interviews
Chat
Tournaments
60% Rakeback
50% RakebackNew!
125% Rakeback
Probabilities
Glossary
Poker Gear
Links
Advertise
User Name  
 
Password
Cookie?  
 
 
Poker Players on Launchpoker.com
LaunchPoker.com provides you with all the information you need about this year's WSOP event, from the 2008 WSOP schedule to the latest 2008 WSOP updates.
Online poker reviews of rooms such as Full Tilt Poker, Poker Stars and Titan Poker.
Extras

RakeBack
PokerListings

Go Back PokerForums.org > Strategy Discussion > General Poker Strategy > QTs out of the blind

Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 12:40 PM
Pok 7's's Avatar
Poker Professional
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,735
Trade Rating: (0)
Default QTs out of the blind

Against a SLAA with about 140 hands on him 23.29/13.01 goes to the SD 45% of the time. Comments?

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.35/$0.7
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: (5SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero re-raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.5BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (7.5BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 9.5BB
__________________
If you're looking to borrow money or have someone give you money in order to play poker online please don't contact me... Click Here for help , and explain your situation.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 12:53 PM
Antneye's Avatar
Poker Expert
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 1,296
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

I like it. He as overs to the board..........He raises on the flop, realizes you are serious and calls down cause he can't fold the overs.

Kind of reminds me of some guy who was losing a bundle with AJ.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 01:45 PM
Marm's Avatar
PokerForums God
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cleveland
Posts: 9,296
Trade Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to Marm Send a message via MSN to Marm
Default

First off, I'm assuming that whacked limit is from a currency conversion?? So... tommorow it may be a .30/.60 game? Or even the evil .40/.80 game?

err.... SH limit huh? Yeah, Looks ok to me....
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 02:02 PM
Steve-O's Avatar
I donk off Wota's $$$
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,337
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Why are you calling from the SB against a 23/13 player from UTG??? His playing/raising standards are too good and you are out of position. Just fold

Post flop I would go for a check-raise to try to scare him out of the pot right there and to see where you're really at. but this is a tiny difference to me the mistake was pre-flop

Did he get you with AT?
__________________
Thank you John McCain for picking a woman who represents the worst-case scenario: A cute wild buffoon who is proud to be dumb.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 03:02 PM
the alex's Avatar
PokerForums God
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nort Side o' Shi-kawgo
Posts: 7,961
Trade Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to the alex Send a message via MSN to the alex Send a message via Yahoo to the alex
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
Why are you calling from the SB against a 23/13 player from UTG??? His playing/raising standards are too good and you are out of position. Just fold

Post flop I would go for a check-raise to try to scare him out of the pot right there and to see where you're really at. but this is a tiny difference to me the mistake was pre-flop

Did he get you with AT?
AHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Dude, 23% is nothing. 33% of the hands, he was dealt were in the blinds. Either adjust you're PT ratings or fuck'em. Numbers only have the defintions that we apply to them. Otherwise, they're just characters. Look at the numbers in context. Fold the QT, KT, KJ, AT, 88-22, QJ.

Villian seems like a guy who's read a lot of books, so I'm guessing he called Pok down with AK cause "Dude, Where's My Odds? Here they are.". Or people were giving his raise this much respect and he switched it up, or as book-boys do, he was beginning to slip back into his naturall self and got scared. In that case, I'll put Villian on anything from AT through JT.

I'm check-calling this river a lot more times than not. Because more times than I win, I'm up against Jacks, Queens, AT, KT, or getting slowplayed by Eights or Sevens. Now, I won't say that I don't bet this river when I've faced this case. I'm just saying "more times than not," I check/call and should do it more in this spot.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 03:31 PM
dopemope223's Avatar
Check Raiser
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sault Ste. Marie CANADA
Posts: 573
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

tight players don't call a river bet with ak, they don't even call the turn bet, this looks like over pairs played passively and by overpairs jj or qq cuase yous got to be retarded not to cap with aa or kk. He may have stuck around with 99 cause he thought he could have the best hand and had sum outs.
__________________
stop worrying so much and just let go.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 03:56 PM
the alex's Avatar
PokerForums God
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nort Side o' Shi-kawgo
Posts: 7,961
Trade Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to the alex Send a message via MSN to the alex Send a message via Yahoo to the alex
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dopemope223
tight players don't call a river bet with ak, they don't even call the turn bet, this looks like over pairs played passively and by overpairs jj or qq cuase yous got to be retarded not to cap with aa or kk. He may have stuck around with 99 cause he thought he could have the best hand and had sum outs.
People aren't robots. That's what makes them human. Most poker books suck ass and would give you arguments to call the turn and river because of odds and implied this and that.

Fuck this, a tight player wouldn't do this and that with AK. That's all discussion where everyone sounds stupid to everyone else because everyone has different grouping systems.

You're not looking at the numbers, dopemope. He sees the flop 23% of the time. He's not playing a lot of hands at all. 33% of the hands are in the blinds and this table is passive. 23% is very low.

But he can't laydown a hand or win pot w/o showdown, he's going to showdown 45% of the time. He has a hand that is a BIG starting hand, but he hasn't been helped or his hand is marginally strong.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 05:48 PM
Pok 7's's Avatar
Poker Professional
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,735
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
Did he get you with AT?
Don't know how you called that one.

That was what he had, I thought he'd be more aggressive with TPTK. I actually had him on overs in he hand. I find I have this happen in a fair amount of hands. I'll hit TPGK and I'll do this exact same thing in hands like this.
__________________
If you're looking to borrow money or have someone give you money in order to play poker online please don't contact me... Click Here for help , and explain your situation.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 05:50 PM
Marm's Avatar
PokerForums God
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cleveland
Posts: 9,296
Trade Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to Marm Send a message via MSN to Marm
Default

Alex, thats VPIP not Flop Entry. Means he's voluntarily put money in 23% when he had the choice. Meaning, an unraised pot in the BB doesn't count towards this. This type of VPIP probably is in the 40%-45% FE at these tables. So excluding the BB, he's trying to see a flop at least once a round, and raising half of those.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 06-07-2006, 05:51 PM
Pok 7's's Avatar
Poker Professional
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,735
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marm
First off, I'm assuming that whacked limit is from a currency conversion?? So... tommorow it may be a .30/.60 game? Or even the evil .40/.80 game?
No standard US currency, on the Cryptos they have .35/.70 games in dollars. You can play in all different currencies but they have US currency tables.
__________________
If you're looking to borrow money or have someone give you money in order to play poker online please don't contact me... Click Here for help , and explain your situation.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:06 AM.

   Designed by
      
No Deposit Bonus
Poker Strategy
Poker Rooms
PartyPoker Bonus Codes
Online Poker Strategy
Online Casino Bonuses
Pokerspiele
Casinos That Accept USA Players
Poker Rakeback
Full Tilt bonus code
Rakeback
Poker Site USA
Nowadays in the Internet the Players are looking for a good Casino Bonus to find the best possible options for online Roulette.There is now the option of RtlPoker and a nice Casino Bonus to play some other games then just Poker.
The ideal casino site for gokkasten and even online poker including online casino games that can be found on mijn online casino, your casino information site for when gambling online or even offline.
Party Poker bonus code & room review
Tony G talks about his experinces in his blog
REVIEW OF PARADISE POKER WEBSITE
Online Poker Room Directory and latest poker news
Best Online Poker info on Internet!
Ultimate Bet new 40% deposit bonus
Copyright © 2004-2008 PokerForums.org, a Merendi Networks Inc. project.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.