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Old 06-07-2006, 12:33 PM
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How would you guys play this? Overall players at the table tend to go to the SD clost to or better than 50%. This hand has 2 fish, a calling station, and a LAP.

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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (8BB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: 8BB
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Old 06-07-2006, 01:56 PM
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Well, I don't like the turn call. If it had been the river, after checking the first two streets I think it may have been ok, but you were jsut looking to get a cheap showdown on the turn, which is the wrong spot to be doing that. Especially given the other caller, I think you should release this here.

PF, and I'm just starting to wrap my head around 6 max so..., I think you need to call here. All your raise does is sweeten the pot, in a family pot, with a vulnerable hand. Especially given this flop, you can assume one of the blilnds is comoing along too, and the two limpers aren't folding, so I don't see any merit to riasing.
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:04 PM
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Consider this: With pairs ten or lower on a loose-passive table, you're only gonna see the turn once out of about five times and you're gonna drop a lot of dough when you get staight draws. Nines are an open raise/limp. Nines and tens are in that gray (or grey) area. I put nines with AJ, KQ, KJs, and ATs.

In this spot, with 2 limpers, I'll limp because the implied odds are juicy.
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Limp in after 2 limpers and play it for set value. Then you could have mucked to any bet on the flop.

As it is, you need to bet the flop. If you're willing to call the turn you should be willing to bet the flop on the end
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:07 PM
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:27 PM
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I don't mind the preflop raise - it accomplished getting the button to fold for you and gained the best position on the table - but you failed to capitalize on your position on the flop. On the flop, put in a raise when it's checked around to you - this give you a chance to win it right there or at least thin the field a bit but most important unless a checker was going for a ck-r, you will get checked around on the turn giving you a free card both on teh Turn and river.

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PF - raise
Flop - bet
Turn - ck
River - ck thru or call if bet ahead of you.
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:31 PM
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The raise may accomplish getting you the button, BUT, with 99 and 2-3 opponents you are playing it for set or overpair value where position isn't as important, better to see the flop cheaply/disguise the strength of your hand when you do hit/cut down peoples pot odds on the flop/and avoid feeling the need to bluff at this pot post flop.
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I completely missed the check on the flop. Yeah, bro, when you raise PF at the CO and get the button, you gotta use it. You've inflated the pot to 10SBs. You're about 9% for a set and when you throw in folding equity and the 2-3 percentage of a backdoor straight and/or flush (though if you hit your flush, you're toast with 3 others), this would be a great bet to:

A.) Take the pot here after all the checks.
B.) Narrow the field, get you a free river, and get BET AT if you hit the river.
C.) add a slight bit of value. (I don't like this reason, but arguments can be made.)
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bet flop and turn..check river if you still have callers.. fold to any check raises from ep.
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My usual line here is bet the flop, and check the turn. For some reason I decided to check this check/call this down just because the majority of the people in this hand will play anything. I had a feeling If someone had a J or Q they'd bet just based on how they tended to play. Waaaay passive I know, I actually won this hand believe it or not, but I was more concerned how to play mid pairs in situations like this pre and post flop.

Limping or raising PF and then how to handle the flop, I tend to get a little lost with scenarios like this. I don't know if I'm wasting bets raising PF and going with a continuation bet post flop. Or shold they almost always be played more for set value?
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