no read on opponent, aside from he went all in on the turn so fast i said to myself "wow, did he even look at the turn?"

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) CP hand converter

CO ($106.19)
Hero ($47.75)
SB ($63.50)
BB ($39.87)
UTG ($46.26)
MP ($116.34)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , . SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50, UTG calls $1.50, MP calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.25) , , (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $3.97, MP folds, Hero raises to $11, BB folds, UTG calls $7.03.

Turn: ($30.25) (2 players)

villian shoves, Hero .....................................




comments on all streets are appreciated. alot of the time i will just call on the flop since there are so many people in the hand and see what the turn action looked like, but i figured there are a few draws out and i should raise about potsize here (i also like raising about 3x a bet on the flop, i find that to be a good ammount). what do you guys raise to, if any?

i didnt leave in if i had called or not because i hate results oriented replies.


edit- im happy, this guy turns out to be donkish as he just doubled me up, twice

Tough one.

I think I call more than raise pf, but meh.

I like the raise on the flop, looks like a blocking bet to for a draw here, his flat call supports that

Well if he was drawing to the nut flush... if no read at all, I havta fold this. Limping/calling utg with Axs is reasonable. If your behind here, you likely have few outs, if your ahead you opponet has at least 9 imo.

Still 6 max, NL, 2 in the pot, and you only raise 4bb??

I don't like the fact that you raised, and I don't like the amount you raised....

Granted I don't play 6 max NL, but the PF action screams wrong to me.

I think KJ is right where I draw the line, I'm not raising Q10o or K10o unless noones in the pot yet, but KJo I'll raise mabye 40%. KJs is more like 60%

that raise will get called by the limpers alot of times. (over 50% of time). you dont really wanna have a juicy pot 3 or 4 way w/ this hand.

However i do think seeing a cheap 3-5 way flop with this hand is good. also i think raising it even more pf to have a nice HU pot is good.

the flop play is standard. if ppl say "raise more on flop" I really disagree.
turn however i must fold. when they bet fast it usually is saying "i dont want a call". so this can = no call b/c im bluffing. or, no call b/c i dont want you to suck out.

I dont like calling off my stack in marginal situations.
I fold putting him on A7. then he will show his flush draw and ill say ^%$#

I play mainly full ring games. I know 6max and full ring is really different. S you may not agree with some of the stuff I say.

First off - I prefer limper to raising in this type of situation. I raise KJ in CO/Button every now and then, but I avoid doing this when there are 2 limpers before me - especially if they came from EP. Reason being that you are likely to be called by multiple callers, when there are EP limpers. When I raise with KJ in LP and play position, I do so to blind steal - I want to avoid seeing a flop at all costs. If u raise when there are 2 or more limpers, chances are you will get called by one or more of those limpers and you will see a flop. This is why I only raise with KJ in LP if there is 1 limper or less before me, and the limper came from LP or late MP.

Secondly, ur PF raise is way too little. With 2 limpers in the pot, im raising this to the $2.75-3.00 range. Again, you dont want to get urself involved into a multiway pot with KJ. Very dangerous imo. All you need is 1 guy to call you here pf, and you can be rest assured those 2 EP limpers will call as well. A 4x BB raise with so much money in the pot already is likely to get you multiple callers. Again this is a blind steal, so you want to avoid seeing a flop with multiple-callers. For every caller you get pf, your bets on the flop will be alot bigger. And you will have a very hard time bettin/raising on the flop because ur hand is so marginal.

Essentially you either want to take this down pf and take the blinds/limpers money. Or you want to get it heads up so you can cb the flop in case you miss. If you get multiple callers you can no longer cb the flop without commiting alot of your money.

My raising structure is dependant on how many people limp in before me. I start off at a standard 4xBB raise if there are no limpers ($2.00-$2.25), 5xBB raise if there is 1 limper ($2.50-$2.75), 6xBB raise if there is 2 limpers (2.75-3.00), 7xBB raise if there is 3 limpers (3.25-3.50), and so on. This type of raising structure seems to be working very well for me. I find that people are more likely to laydown hands on the flop to any type of aggression as long as you show more aggression PF. Thus I am more likely to take down pots with cbs of only 1/2 potsize on the flop - as long as I raise it more PF. This is ALOT better then raising only 3-4xBB PF then cbing the flop for the whole ps. Basically for every limper before me I add +1 BB to my raise, give or take 1/2 a BB depending on how I feel.


Anyways, on the flop I probably raise it to $13.. But I think your play there is also fine.

Here is my analysis on Villians play:

It looks like he check-called a raise with AXs type hand. Possibly A8-ATs. Lead out for half the ps when he hit overcard + FD to try to take down the pot. Got a raise from you, and got stubborn with his hand. Decided to call your raise. His ace pops up on the turn. He then figures that he doesnt want to make a normal bet here, as he may get outplayed from you, since you have position on him. Thus he decides to push the turn - figuring that if he gets called by AK, he still has his FD to back him up. Either that or his stack size was small enough that it was better to push the turn then to bet the ps or less. At this point I have him on A9 or ATs of spades, more likely ATs.

good post