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06-06-2006, 01:37 AM
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Limp with that KJo when you will be UTG after flop comes. It is just safer that way. I would raise in this scenario in most any other position but this one. 6 Max or not.
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06-06-2006, 03:26 AM
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Haters! I'm never gonna tell you that it's wrong to raise in a 6max. NL game. If you know what you're doing in the moment, it's seldom bad to raise an unraised pot in a 6max. NL game. I'm guessing the normal raise was $1.50-$2. I don't know what the hub-bub about the size of the raise is all about.
That said, this isn't tough at all. You fold the turn. Villian has 66 or 77. The reason why you raised to $11 on the flop was to see where you were at. The call should scare the shit out of you and you should hear bells ringing from every direction.
Let's go back to my first paragraph and piece this together in a practical reasonable manner. If you don't see what I said in the second paragraph. If that isn't nature to you, you shouldn't be raising with KJ, AJ, AQ, AT, TT, 99, etc.
Raising because "it's a raising hand" is not how you play big bet poker. Early in a hand, you raise with a plan, a backup plan, and a backup to the backup. If you have problems with a hand like this, play less hands and overbet pots with the goods because you're turn and river play will clean out your bankroll. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it, brother.
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06-06-2006, 06:59 AM
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Ok, I don't play 6 max (I've been tempted to try 6max limit, but with as poorly as I'm running I'm afraid I'd just lose money faster), but I really don't get why that matters here. Regardless of how many started, you still have KJo on the button with two limpers in the pot. Can someone explain why the play here would be different than in the same situation in a 10 seat game?
If it were me (who doesn't play much NL and no 6-max), I probably would have limped and then made something near a pot sized bet on the flop.
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06-06-2006, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by the alex
That said, this isn't tough at all. You fold the turn. Villian has 66 or 77. The reason why you raised to $11 on the flop was to see where you were at. The call should scare the shit out of you and you should hear bells ringing from every direction.
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i put him on that, or AsXs
obviously i folded.
i think im going to start trying to play smaller pots with less strong hands. and Girivek i was on the button in this hand i prolly woudlnt raise utg
but yeah. i think this kind of hand is causing me problems b/c im making too big of multi way pots without good enough hands. i just wont flop a strong enough hand to make this raise worthwhile and i have literally no chance of stealing the pot with 2-4 people in.
i think im only going to start making this raise when its folds to me, and if there is a limper ill raise a bit more. KJ is where i will draw the line as KT sucks, i will only raise that in a blind stealing position, or at a tight table.
KJ is a winning hand for me on PT but im looking at some of the hands i played and alot of them im just folding after the flop in MULTI way pots. so hm.... definantly have to fix that.
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06-06-2006, 10:11 AM
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Shorthanded, isolating with KJ in position will work for you, but it requires putting more than $2.50 in the pot. Your table's loose and passive enough to limp and bet big with bigger hands that are already made on the flop or turn because you'll get more action when you want it.
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Originally Posted by FaDi
GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
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06-06-2006, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by the alex
. The reason why you raised to $11 on the flop was to see where you were at. .
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But it didnt tell you anything. you gave your opponent juicy odds to call, and so he did. What does that tell you? nothing.
all he did was build a big pot with a weak hand and a not that big of stack.
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06-06-2006, 10:53 AM
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Did you read Post #12, Beav?
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Originally Posted by FaDi
GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
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06-06-2006, 10:58 AM
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I have no idea what you mean.
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06-06-2006, 11:17 AM
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I have no idea what you mean.
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You're saying "it didn't tell anything" I explained that it did, what it told you, why it's what was told, and why it's fundamental to realize that.
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Originally Posted by FaDi
GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
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06-06-2006, 12:20 PM
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if you are saying he has a set, him calling means no such thing.
he isnt going to fold any hand he bet EP getting 3:1 odds plus the rest of your stack. A set is more more likely with his call then it was when he bet.
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