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Old 06-05-2006, 07:12 AM
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This is a situation where I feel I don't know WHAT the proper play is.

Say you're plaing a limit game and have like sixes on the button and it gets raised to you. What criteria do you use to call, fold, or re-raise?
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Depending on the players I'm usually folding smaller pocket pairs here, unless there's a lot of limpers and the raise comes form the CO or LP. I'll call just looking for the set because most limpers aren't going to fold to a raise once they're in.

I don't know if it's always the correct play but I've always adapted a raise/fold here 99% of the time.

I also noticed looking at smaller pocket pairs 6 and under tend to be money losers for me, with the exception of I think 4's, so I've started folding them more often in full ring.
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This is a situation where I feel I don't know WHAT the proper play is.

Say you're plaing a limit game and have like sixes on the button and it gets raised to you. What criteria do you use to call, fold, or re-raise?
Personally, anything below 9s is pretty close to an auto muck for me.

If the player were really active, I may take after him with 99+ (you could probably go lower)

with 66, you are virtually guaranteed to have less than 50% equity vs his range of hands.


TT+ I would be reraising most players.
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with 66, you are virtually guaranteed to have less than 50% equity vs his range of hands.


TT+ I would be reraising most players.
That's pretty much the way I've been playing it. I've just seen so many people playing small pairs to 3 and 4 bets lately it made me wonder if I was being too quick to let them go.
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In general I agree with Beavis and Pok here, but with one exception.

If the only person in the hand is the raiser and I am on button I will re-raise to isolate down to 77.

I wont do this against a rock, but against the avg Slightly loose player its nice.
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If there are enough callers, isnt there always enough odds to call with just about any pocket pair?
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Yes, but for straight pot odds "enough" callers is around 7. How often to you seen 7 players calling a riase? I would suppose 5, or maybe 4 callers would give you implied odds, but even that never happens.
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Yes, but for straight pot odds "enough" callers is around 7. How often to you seen 7 players calling a riase? I would suppose 5, or maybe 4 callers would give you implied odds, but even that never happens.
Four people gives you implied odds at a loose passive table. You're gonna take about four big bets on the turn and river and you can figure two on the flop because you're raising. Add the four before the flop because it was raise and there's your 10:1. Four's a good number because it makes up for the margin of error when one person sees the turn and river with you and the small amount of time when you get a fold on the turn. Five is better and keep you out of trouble A LOT more. Five the safest number.

That's a quick way to look at it. No onw who's limped will fold to one raise and one of the two blinds will play, so you're looking for 4 already entering the pot excluding the blinds and you'll be fine. If both blinds are playing a lot of hands or even if only the SB is very loose, you can get away with 3 before and go with the educated prediction.

When that pair of yours is an overpair, get out of there unless you have an open-ender on the top of the draw with no flush draw on the board.

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