Here was a pivotal hand from the end of a SNG:
POKERSTARS GAME #5136996562: TOURNAMENT #25825423, $10+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2006/06/03 - 04:53:16 (ET)
Table '25825423 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: mxp2004 (7932 in chips)
Seat 9: Karlwojo (5568 in chips)
mxp2004: posts the ante 25
Karlwojo: posts the ante 25
mxp2004: posts small blind 200
Karlwojo: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mxp2004![]()
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mxp2004: calls 200
Karlwojo: raises 400 to 800
mxp2004: calls 400
*** FLOP ***![]()
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Karlwojo: bets 400
mxp2004: raises 1200 to 1600
Karlwojo: calls 1200
*** TURN ***![]()
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Karlwojo: bets 400
mxp2004: raises 2100 to 2500
Karlwojo: calls 2100
*** RIVER ***![]()
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Karlwojo: checks
mxp2004: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Karlwojo: shows![]()
(a pair of Nines)
mxp2004: mucks hand![]()
(a pair of Nines, lower kicker)
Karlwojo collected 9850 from pot
A little bit of information: my opponent was generally passive. He was capable of laying down hands, but he sometimes got stubborn (as he was here). His minimum raise usually meant that he held something like Kx or Ax, i.e., a decent hand heads up, but not a monster. He had seen me bluff on pots he checked, but I was not overdoing it.
Why do you think this bluff failed and my opponent put almost all his chips in with King high and no draws? Do you think there was something about my betting pattern that smelled like a bluff? Finally, do you think I could have sold the bluff better by smooth calling the turn and moving all in on the river (in other words, is that a more believable way to play top trips)?
Thanks for any insights.
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Thread: Failed Bluff
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06-03-2006 #1River Rat
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Failed Bluff
Last edited by mxp2004; 06-03-2006 at 12:47 PM.
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06-03-2006 #2
well i dont think theres much room for bluffing here, given the stack sizes and the amount of chips each of you have relative to the blinds. you yourself have a lil over 19BBs and a M of 6.3 right? Your opponent has less, with about 14BBs.
With this little BBs, its either fold or all-in pf imo. Reason being that any failed postflop bluff at this point will cripple you to the point of no return.Last edited by Eclipse86; 06-03-2006 at 12:35 PM.
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06-03-2006 #3
eclipse is right, only i would like to add that there are some bluffs you can run here.
just make sure if you bluff you think you have some fold equity (decent chance to win even if you are called) and the pot is worth taking down. these low M situations are perfect spots to limp pf and maybe push all in with a flush draw.
however, usually if i think i have an edge ill just push pf with under 10 big blinds.
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06-03-2006 #4
Yea, Im not thinkin this isnt the best spot. But *if* your going to do it, I think smooth calling the turn and pushing the river would have gotten a fold, unless he a huge calling station. In which case you should know by now and shouldnt be bluffing him. Nm you said he wasnt, k.
BB is t100
Preflop: Hero is UTG with :3d :5d,
Hero raises to t500
Originally Posted by Marm
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06-03-2006 #5River Rat
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I agree that we both have low Ms, but that is typical at the end of a SNG. However, we both have more than 10 BBs (which I often use as my guide for when I need to shift to all-in or fold mode), and my opponent would still have more than 10 BBs even if he folded to my raise on the flop. With about 4300 chips left after I raise him on the flop and less than 1/4 of his stack in the pot, it's hard to see how he felt pot committed at that point.
I agree with your point more generally, however, that you should be cautious about trying to bluff a short stack.
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06-04-2006 #6
i think this is a great attempt to steal the pot, u just had an idiot that wouldnt let go of his hand
the raising and reraising represents a strong hand if not ace high even. i would of folded on the turn i f not the flop
u might of tried to push all in on the turn he might of thought about folding then.Last edited by obga; 06-04-2006 at 06:56 AM.
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06-04-2006 #7River Rat
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That's a great suggestion. With two flush draws and several straight draws out there, pushing on the turn is consistent with having trips, but wanting the hand over with. So he'd have every reason to believe that I had the hand that I was representing, and he'd be hard-pressed to wager the rest of his chips with just King high and one card to come (although he did call my raise on the turn, which left him with only about 650 chips, so who knows?).
Originally Posted by obga
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06-04-2006 #8
It's tough to make a bluff here with the amount of chips you have.
Smooth calling the turn and betting on the river is, IMO, probably a better bluff. Your raise on the turn says "go away" . . . if you're going to make that raise, at least raise all in.
Also consider that no matter how well executed a bluff is, it's going to fail a fairly significant portion of the time. If you go in with the attitude this bluff must succeed every time in order for it to be worthwhile, you're not bluffing enough.
Or perhaps better put: If you don't get caught bluffing once in a while, you're not bluffing enough.Jason75: Ok, you check and the button bets 400. Now what?
Beavis68: You play poker.
Jason75: Darn, I was really hoping for canasta. Maybe Gin.
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06-04-2006 #9River Rat
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Thanks for all the input. Several posters have commented that it is difficult to bluff here because of the amount of chips left. But put yourself in my opponent's place: after the flop, you've got 4300 chips left when the raise comes. The raise requires you to put a 30% of your remaining chips in the pot. You have only two overcards and no other draws, and the only hand you can beat is a bluff that does not involve an Ace.
Are the posters who have said that this is a bad spot for a bluff also saying that, if they were in the situation that I just described, they are calling no matter what?Last edited by mxp2004; 06-04-2006 at 09:18 AM.
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06-04-2006 #10PokerForums God
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why did you raise to 2500 on the turn when he only had about 600 or so left?
Are you going to fold if he raises?
Based on his stack size, I am not even sure I would bother completing with this hand.
IMO, the advice that any hand is playable heads up only goes for deep stack situations.
Do you really want to stand any action with Q5 post flop?
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