I decided to play some $5/$10 LHE to help out with the new truck I bought last night, I have some "discretionary" funds for things like this as I don't have the "proper" BR to play these limits, but I do have the funds... I did alright, but I should have ran up about $1K but I was playing WAY too tight and folded alot of monsters PF.. Such as![]()
, turned a SF against AA and KK ($200 pot) Folded 88 OTB when 3 bet to me against AA and QQ flopped a set and would have won (almost $200 pot) Folded
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OTB again 3 bet to me, flop was
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(TT vs QQ another $150 + pot) But, that's poker... Really should have loosened up because the 2 tables I was on were VERY LA manical!!!
So, here are a couple of the more memorable hands, any thoughts/criticism are welcome..
This hand I meant to raise PF btw....
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with![]()
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UTG folds, Hero calls (1.4:1), 3 folds, 3 folds, BB checks.
Flop:![]()
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(2.4SB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls (9.4:1).
Turn:(5.2BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls (8.2:1).
River:(9.2BB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls (10.2:1).
Results:
Final pot: 11.2BB
Hero showed Jh Jc
BB mucks 2s 5h
This hand was just after I lost AK vs. A10 against the same guy, so I was kinda pissed.. Probably should have folded PF, but I flopped OE and was going to go down swinging...
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with![]()
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2 folds, CO raises, Button folds, Hero calls (3.4:1.5), BB calls (4.9:1).
Flop:![]()
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(6SB, 3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls (7:1), CO raises, Hero calls (10:1), BB calls (11:1).
Turn:(6BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks.
River:(6BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, CO calls (7:1).
Results:
Final pot: 8BB
Hero showed 9s Qs
CO mucks Qh Jh
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06-03-2006 #1River Rat
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Thoughts on a couple of $5/$10 Limit hands...
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06-03-2006 #2
aside from forgetting to raise pf with the JJ.. everything else looks good
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06-04-2006 #3
1st hand is fine except for the not raising pf as you noted. Well played.
The second hand is troubling.
The cold call out of the small blind after a single raise to you is awful.
There is no hand you call with in that spot - mathmatically this is raise or fold every time no matter what your cards are.
I also don't like betting out on the flop. You would expect this type of flop to hit a preflop raiser and the BB knows that. You flopped a great draw and you are better off with BB in the hand. By betting out into a preflop raiser the BB would expect that the CO will raise and most of the time he will fold his hand after your bet, especially since you gave him odds preflop to call with a wide range. Now once he folds you are left with playing a draw headsup OOP against a preflop raiser. Not good.
It worked out OK since BB called, but the vast majority of the time you are much better off check-calling the flop. If it was headsup on the flop then I think you can bet out, checkraise, or check-call but with the BB in the hand you need to try to keep him along and by far the best way to do this is check-calling.
Originally Posted by Beavis68
Originally Posted by backdoor
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06-04-2006 #4
Growlers it depends on what I've seen the CO try to steal with before. I may flat call with Q9s there just for variety instead of raising. I may even fold, there are a lot of variables, including Whim, that affect that play.
EDIT: Oh damn, it's 6 max, yeah raise that up.Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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06-04-2006 #5
Marm,
The reason why it is wrong has nothing to do with the CO's cards - you are giving the BB too good of odds to call. There is absolutely no reason to give the BB those odds when he has position on you the rest of the hand. Three-bet or fold here is clearly the mathmatically correct play, and is the also the correct poker play >>95% of the time.
The fact that the CO may be stealing makes it even MORE important to three bet this hand preflop. Get it headsup with what is probably the best hand against the steal raiser.
Some people flatcall out of the SB in these situations routinely and it is a huge leak. If the button coldcalled after the CO's raise I don't have a problem with flatcalling.
Originally Posted by Beavis68
Originally Posted by backdoor
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06-04-2006 #6
Good points, though, IN FULL RING I like calling sometimes for the ability to CR on the flop, regardless of what hits (see earlier Blind steal thread). This move carries a helluva lot more weight than a raise PF or a lead bet on the flop. Yes, you risk the BB coming along, but often enough they fold seeing you cold called a raise, and yes, sometimes the flop hits the CO, but it works often enough that I consider it a very profitable play.
But then again, this is 6 max, and the steal chances go through the roof, so this play will eventually get ripped apart.
But seeing this is 6 max I have no doubts that your only move is to raise as long as you feel it's worth playing Q9s vs the guys steal.Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
Luck is a Residue of Design.
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06-05-2006 #7River Rat
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I probably should have raised it PF on the second hand because the raiser was pretty LPP and wasn't showing down any strong hands, just an average CS... I need to remember to be more aggressive against these types of players and making them pay more to draw when I have a good expectation I'm ahead. I had WAY too many hands this weekend playing $5/$10 that I checked the river with moderate hands and won when it checked out. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID mistakes. On the first hand I'm VERY surprised I didn't get raised on the turn when he made 2 pair because he was very aggresive.
I've been playing on my laptop with no PT too, I'm going to get another copy so I can have it on both computers, also if I'm going to do any playing at higher stakes I think it's time for PAHUD... I'm a pretty good gauge of players but more info the better.. Since I moved up in stakes I've REALLY tightened up and have just been playing solid hands trying to get a feel for the game. I like 6 max games, and the higher stakes games for the most part in 800 or so hands dont play a whole lot different than lower stakes.
Thanks for your input Marm and Growlers, any otherthoughts welcome...
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06-05-2006 #8Check Raiser
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06-05-2006 #9
dude,
Don't worry about the woulda coulda shoulda'a with those garbage hands you mentioned at first (10-7 & 4-6) They are not long term winners especially against AA, QQ, etc.Bean181818: some guy came up just grabbed my hand and starting massaging it, since it wasn't you, i told him to fuck off
xcrunman02: yeah only I can do that, i don't need some gook trying to get with my life partner
Bean181818: i've been faithful
xcrunman02: me too
Bean181818: peck tried to get all this but i told him this was all taken, all of it!
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06-05-2006 #10
I'm 99% sure you are correct.
Originally Posted by Yvraine
I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.
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, turned a SF against AA and KK ($200 pot) Folded 88 OTB when 3 bet to me against AA and QQ flopped a set and would have won (almost $200 pot) Folded
OTB again 3 bet to me, flop was
(TT vs QQ another $150 + pot) But, that's poker... Really should have loosened up because the 2 tables I was on were VERY LA manical!!!
(2.4SB, 2 players)
(5.2BB, 2 players)
(9.2BB, 2 players)
(6SB, 3 players)
(6BB, 3 players)
(6BB, 3 players)
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