Welcome to PokerForums.org

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 29
  1. #1
    River Rat
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    289

    Default Thoughts on a couple of $5/$10 Limit hands...

    I decided to play some $5/$10 LHE to help out with the new truck I bought last night, I have some "discretionary" funds for things like this as I don't have the "proper" BR to play these limits, but I do have the funds... I did alright, but I should have ran up about $1K but I was playing WAY too tight and folded alot of monsters PF.. Such as , turned a SF against AA and KK ($200 pot) Folded 88 OTB when 3 bet to me against AA and QQ flopped a set and would have won (almost $200 pot) Folded OTB again 3 bet to me, flop was (TT vs QQ another $150 + pot) But, that's poker... Really should have loosened up because the 2 tables I was on were VERY LA manical!!!

    So, here are a couple of the more memorable hands, any thoughts/criticism are welcome..

    This hand I meant to raise PF btw....

    Poker Stars
    Limit Holdem Ring game
    Limit: $5/$10
    6 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with
    UTG folds, Hero calls (1.4:1), 3 folds, 3 folds, BB checks.

    Flop: (2.4SB, 2 players)
    BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls (9.4:1).

    Turn: (5.2BB, 2 players)
    BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls (8.2:1).

    River: (9.2BB, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls (10.2:1).

    Results:
    Final pot: 11.2BB
    Hero showed Jh Jc
    BB mucks 2s 5h

    This hand was just after I lost AK vs. A10 against the same guy, so I was kinda pissed.. Probably should have folded PF, but I flopped OE and was going to go down swinging...

    Poker Stars
    Limit Holdem Ring game
    Limit: $5/$10
    6 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with
    2 folds, CO raises, Button folds, Hero calls (3.4:1.5), BB calls (4.9:1).

    Flop: (6SB, 3 players)
    Hero bets, BB calls (7:1), CO raises, Hero calls (10:1), BB calls (11:1).

    Turn: (6BB, 3 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks.

    River: (6BB, 3 players)
    Hero bets, BB folds, CO calls (7:1).

    Results:
    Final pot: 8BB
    Hero showed 9s Qs
    CO mucks Qh Jh

  2. #2
    Poker Professional Eclipse86's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    1,656

    Default

    aside from forgetting to raise pf with the JJ.. everything else looks good

  3. #3
    Check Raiser growlers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Las Vegas
    Posts
    706

    Default

    1st hand is fine except for the not raising pf as you noted. Well played.

    The second hand is troubling.

    The cold call out of the small blind after a single raise to you is awful.
    There is no hand you call with in that spot - mathmatically this is raise or fold every time no matter what your cards are.

    I also don't like betting out on the flop. You would expect this type of flop to hit a preflop raiser and the BB knows that. You flopped a great draw and you are better off with BB in the hand. By betting out into a preflop raiser the BB would expect that the CO will raise and most of the time he will fold his hand after your bet, especially since you gave him odds preflop to call with a wide range. Now once he folds you are left with playing a draw headsup OOP against a preflop raiser. Not good.

    It worked out OK since BB called, but the vast majority of the time you are much better off check-calling the flop. If it was headsup on the flop then I think you can bet out, checkraise, or check-call but with the BB in the hand you need to try to keep him along and by far the best way to do this is check-calling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    Quit playing poker.
    Quote Originally Posted by backdoor
    First of all you foul mouthed imbecile. I think the value of forums is immeasurible. Forums are the one place you can learn the game. Forums are a learning medium. The problem I find in forums are, your post. We are talking to hot headed, juveniles, who have no clue what they are doing. You have to weed through posts such as yours to get valuable information.

  4. #4
    PokerForums God Marm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Cleveland
    Posts
    9,757

    Default

    Growlers it depends on what I've seen the CO try to steal with before. I may flat call with Q9s there just for variety instead of raising. I may even fold, there are a lot of variables, including Whim, that affect that play.

    EDIT: Oh damn, it's 6 max, yeah raise that up.
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

    Luck is a Residue of Design.

  5. #5
    Check Raiser growlers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Las Vegas
    Posts
    706

    Default

    Marm,
    The reason why it is wrong has nothing to do with the CO's cards - you are giving the BB too good of odds to call. There is absolutely no reason to give the BB those odds when he has position on you the rest of the hand. Three-bet or fold here is clearly the mathmatically correct play, and is the also the correct poker play >>95% of the time.

    The fact that the CO may be stealing makes it even MORE important to three bet this hand preflop. Get it headsup with what is probably the best hand against the steal raiser.

    Some people flatcall out of the SB in these situations routinely and it is a huge leak. If the button coldcalled after the CO's raise I don't have a problem with flatcalling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    Quit playing poker.
    Quote Originally Posted by backdoor
    First of all you foul mouthed imbecile. I think the value of forums is immeasurible. Forums are the one place you can learn the game. Forums are a learning medium. The problem I find in forums are, your post. We are talking to hot headed, juveniles, who have no clue what they are doing. You have to weed through posts such as yours to get valuable information.

  6. #6
    PokerForums God Marm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Cleveland
    Posts
    9,757

    Default

    Good points, though, IN FULL RING I like calling sometimes for the ability to CR on the flop, regardless of what hits (see earlier Blind steal thread). This move carries a helluva lot more weight than a raise PF or a lead bet on the flop. Yes, you risk the BB coming along, but often enough they fold seeing you cold called a raise, and yes, sometimes the flop hits the CO, but it works often enough that I consider it a very profitable play.

    But then again, this is 6 max, and the steal chances go through the roof, so this play will eventually get ripped apart.

    But seeing this is 6 max I have no doubts that your only move is to raise as long as you feel it's worth playing Q9s vs the guys steal.
    Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.

    Luck is a Residue of Design.

  7. #7
    River Rat
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    289

    Default

    I probably should have raised it PF on the second hand because the raiser was pretty LPP and wasn't showing down any strong hands, just an average CS... I need to remember to be more aggressive against these types of players and making them pay more to draw when I have a good expectation I'm ahead. I had WAY too many hands this weekend playing $5/$10 that I checked the river with moderate hands and won when it checked out. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID mistakes. On the first hand I'm VERY surprised I didn't get raised on the turn when he made 2 pair because he was very aggresive.

    I've been playing on my laptop with no PT too, I'm going to get another copy so I can have it on both computers, also if I'm going to do any playing at higher stakes I think it's time for PAHUD... I'm a pretty good gauge of players but more info the better.. Since I moved up in stakes I've REALLY tightened up and have just been playing solid hands trying to get a feel for the game. I like 6 max games, and the higher stakes games for the most part in 800 or so hands dont play a whole lot different than lower stakes.

    Thanks for your input Marm and Growlers, any otherthoughts welcome...

  8. #8
    Check Raiser
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    595

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_dude
    I've been playing on my laptop with no PT too, I'm going to get another copy so I can have it on both computers,
    I believe one purchase covers two computers, don't spend another $55 without confirming this.
    ... can't sleep, blinds will eat me ...

    Quote Originally Posted by KRE8R View Post
    Yvraine is not a "dude". She is a killer female poker player. Pray you dont meet her at the tables...

  9. #9
    Poker Hustler puddlejumper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Savannah, GA
    Posts
    1,184

    Default

    dude,

    Don't worry about the woulda coulda shoulda'a with those garbage hands you mentioned at first (10-7 & 4-6) They are not long term winners especially against AA, QQ, etc.
    Bean181818: some guy came up just grabbed my hand and starting massaging it, since it wasn't you, i told him to fuck off
    xcrunman02: yeah only I can do that, i don't need some gook trying to get with my life partner
    Bean181818: i've been faithful
    xcrunman02: me too
    Bean181818: peck tried to get all this but i told him this was all taken, all of it!

  10. #10
    Poker Professional Girevik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Posts
    1,731

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Yvraine
    I believe one purchase covers two computers, don't spend another $55 without confirming this.
    I'm 99% sure you are correct.
    I'm CDO. It's like OCD, but everying is in order just like it should be.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •